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		<title>By: Lymis</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2007/11/01/no-mate-for-jesus/comment-page-3/#comment-97543</link>
		<dc:creator>Lymis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t we have to make a distinction between lust and attraction? Or are we saying that all attraction is automatically lust? 

Surely any sin associated with sexual attraction lies in inappropriately indulging it, not just in experiencing it.

The idea that Jesus would have the same relationship to all women (and presumably all men as well) as he would his parents or siblings misses the point.

There&#039;s something deeply wrong, or at least something deeply missing whenever we claim Jesus didn&#039;t sin because he couldn&#039;t. That makes him a great story, but a lousy role model. 

This is implying that no straight married man can keep from having adultery with every woman who isn&#039;t his wife - and the equivalent for every gay man and every woman. Isn&#039;t it rather more important to say that it&#039;s perfectly appropriate to recognize the attraction to someone else, appreciate their physical beauty and attractive character, and still not choose to deliberately cultivate sexual thoughts about them that turn them into an object in your mind?

I&#039;d rather relate to a Jesus who could agree that someone was attractive and appreciate that about them without objectifying and dehumanizing them rather than someone who was wired so differently that his example is meaningless to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t we have to make a distinction between lust and attraction? Or are we saying that all attraction is automatically lust? </p>
<p>Surely any sin associated with sexual attraction lies in inappropriately indulging it, not just in experiencing it.</p>
<p>The idea that Jesus would have the same relationship to all women (and presumably all men as well) as he would his parents or siblings misses the point.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something deeply wrong, or at least something deeply missing whenever we claim Jesus didn&#8217;t sin because he couldn&#8217;t. That makes him a great story, but a lousy role model. </p>
<p>This is implying that no straight married man can keep from having adultery with every woman who isn&#8217;t his wife &#8211; and the equivalent for every gay man and every woman. Isn&#8217;t it rather more important to say that it&#8217;s perfectly appropriate to recognize the attraction to someone else, appreciate their physical beauty and attractive character, and still not choose to deliberately cultivate sexual thoughts about them that turn them into an object in your mind?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather relate to a Jesus who could agree that someone was attractive and appreciate that about them without objectifying and dehumanizing them rather than someone who was wired so differently that his example is meaningless to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Soulmentor</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2007/11/01/no-mate-for-jesus/comment-page-3/#comment-95943</link>
		<dc:creator>Soulmentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delightfull!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Soulmentor</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2007/11/01/no-mate-for-jesus/comment-page-3/#comment-95942</link>
		<dc:creator>Soulmentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*****What man doesn’t look at women lustfully?******

Um....gay men!!!  I never do. Seriously, despite the fact that I was married for 23 years. I did the deed and have two fine military officer sons to show for it but my &quot;lust&quot; was always for men. 
And I have a problem with the use of the word &quot;adultery&quot; in this context. Adultery is &quot;sexual infidelity to one&#039;s spouse&quot;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery  and neither Jesus nor any man or woman can be committing adultery if they are not married, even if they lust for or have sex with someone who IS married (it&#039;s that married person who is committing adultery).  That goes for using adultery as a criticism of gays as well. 
Using the word adultery in the context of general lust is a remarkably careless use of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*****What man doesn’t look at women lustfully?******</p>
<p>Um&#8230;.gay men!!!  I never do. Seriously, despite the fact that I was married for 23 years. I did the deed and have two fine military officer sons to show for it but my &#8220;lust&#8221; was always for men.<br />
And I have a problem with the use of the word &#8220;adultery&#8221; in this context. Adultery is &#8220;sexual infidelity to one&#8217;s spouse&#8221;  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery</a>  and neither Jesus nor any man or woman can be committing adultery if they are not married, even if they lust for or have sex with someone who IS married (it&#8217;s that married person who is committing adultery).  That goes for using adultery as a criticism of gays as well.<br />
Using the word adultery in the context of general lust is a remarkably careless use of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana A.</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2007/11/01/no-mate-for-jesus/comment-page-3/#comment-95634</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was mentioned in passing in a book called &quot;Ain&#039;t Nobody&#039;s Business If You Do&quot; by Peter McWilliams.  It&#039;s actually online as well as in hard-copy form.  I highly recommend it.  Not only is it funny, but it has some good information in it.  The exact quote is:  &quot;(On a purely physical level, psychiatrists say that 20 percent of the American public has no appreciable sex drive whatsoever.)&quot;
It&#039;s in the section &quot;A Closer Look at the Consensual Crimes&quot; under &quot;Violations of Marriage:  Adultery, Fornication, Cohabitation, Bigamy and Poligamy.&quot;  Here&#039;s a link to the online version of the book:  http://deoxy.org/ccrime.htm

Anyway, his stat may have been wrong but it stuck with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was mentioned in passing in a book called &#8220;Ain&#8217;t Nobody&#8217;s Business If You Do&#8221; by Peter McWilliams.  It&#8217;s actually online as well as in hard-copy form.  I highly recommend it.  Not only is it funny, but it has some good information in it.  The exact quote is:  &#8220;(On a purely physical level, psychiatrists say that 20 percent of the American public has no appreciable sex drive whatsoever.)&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s in the section &#8220;A Closer Look at the Consensual Crimes&#8221; under &#8220;Violations of Marriage:  Adultery, Fornication, Cohabitation, Bigamy and Poligamy.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s a link to the online version of the book:  <a href="http://deoxy.org/ccrime.htm" rel="nofollow">http://deoxy.org/ccrime.htm</a></p>
<p>Anyway, his stat may have been wrong but it stuck with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 02:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That many?  I have a friend who is asexual and worries about it. If you can find where you heard that, I bet he would be delighted to know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That many?  I have a friend who is asexual and worries about it. If you can find where you heard that, I bet he would be delighted to know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 01:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an interesting theory... and very well written. But in the end, it kind of states the problem with a god becoming human to understand humanity... and then failing to actually experiencing the reality of being human because they are a god... 

being human is more than wearing a suit of flesh... it is about passion, love, lust, loss, joy, being hurt, hurting... loosing relationships and repairing them... it is also about not being 100% sure about what happens after death... and leaps of faith. 

Lastly, to think that all the Jesus was and all that he experienced was captured by the biblical writers... writing nearly a generation after Jesus dies... belittles both Jesus experience. No person can be fully captured in a book. Also, the orthodox biblical writers had an agenda... to depict Jesus as a god... so the likely edited out his human aspects... there was actually a very big debate about this issue in the first and second centuries AD... this debate and centuries of thought re: Jesus and his teachings were supressed and destroyed when Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire in the 300&#039;s AD ... it was then that Jesus the man... was turned into Christ the god... and all those that disagreed with this point of view were basically just killed.

So it is a nice theory... but I think it likely misses the mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an interesting theory&#8230; and very well written. But in the end, it kind of states the problem with a god becoming human to understand humanity&#8230; and then failing to actually experiencing the reality of being human because they are a god&#8230; </p>
<p>being human is more than wearing a suit of flesh&#8230; it is about passion, love, lust, loss, joy, being hurt, hurting&#8230; loosing relationships and repairing them&#8230; it is also about not being 100% sure about what happens after death&#8230; and leaps of faith. </p>
<p>Lastly, to think that all the Jesus was and all that he experienced was captured by the biblical writers&#8230; writing nearly a generation after Jesus dies&#8230; belittles both Jesus experience. No person can be fully captured in a book. Also, the orthodox biblical writers had an agenda&#8230; to depict Jesus as a god&#8230; so the likely edited out his human aspects&#8230; there was actually a very big debate about this issue in the first and second centuries AD&#8230; this debate and centuries of thought re: Jesus and his teachings were supressed and destroyed when Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire in the 300&#8242;s AD &#8230; it was then that Jesus the man&#8230; was turned into Christ the god&#8230; and all those that disagreed with this point of view were basically just killed.</p>
<p>So it is a nice theory&#8230; but I think it likely misses the mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I heard, asexuals were at least 20% of the population.  So yes, asexuals are fully human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I heard, asexuals were at least 20% of the population.  So yes, asexuals are fully human.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asexuals exist, people with low sex drives.   

At least I foolishly try to think of myself as fully-human most of the time. *Sigh.* *Wimper*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asexuals exist, people with low sex drives.   </p>
<p>At least I foolishly try to think of myself as fully-human most of the time. *Sigh.* *Wimper*</p>
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		<title>By: Gentle Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gentle Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I am sure Jesus enjoyed the company of the Apostle John. 
Let&#039;s not get into this area ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I am sure Jesus enjoyed the company of the Apostle John.<br />
Let&#8217;s not get into this area &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Rappe</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2007/11/01/no-mate-for-jesus/comment-page-2/#comment-93669</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Rappe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 05:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the children, &quot;gams&#039; are legs, as in the expression Betty (legs) Grable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the children, &#8220;gams&#8217; are legs, as in the expression Betty (legs) Grable.</p>
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