By way of researching a book of mine (“I’m OK – You’re Not: The Message We’re Sending Nonbelievers and Why We Should Stop“), I posted a notice on Craigslist sites all over the country asking non-Christians to send me any short, personal statement they would like Christians to read.
“Specifically,” I wrote, “I’d like to hear how you feel about being on the receiving end of the efforts of Christian evangelicals to convert you.” (To that I added, “I want to be very clear that this is not a Christian-bashing book; it’s coming from a place that only means well for everyone. Thanks.”)
Within three days, I had in my inbox over 300 emails from non-Christians across the country. Reading them was one of the more depressing experiences of my life. I had expected it to be a message of anger, but if you boiled down to one the overall sentiment most often expressed in the nonbelievers’ statements, it would be this: Why do Christians hate us so much?
Below is a pretty random sample of the statements non-Christians sent me. If you’re a Christian, they make for a mighty saddening read. Or they certainly should, anyway.
“The main thing that baffles and angers me about Christians is how they can understand so little about human nature that when, in their fervor to convert another person, they tell that person (as they inevitably do, in one way or another), ‘You’re bad, and wrong, and evil,’ they actually expect that person to agree with them. It pretty much guarantees that virtually the only people Christians can ever realistically hope to convert are those with tragically low self-esteem.”– E.S., Denver
“I feel that Christians have got it all wrong; it seems to me that they’ve created the very thing Jesus was against: Separatism.”– T. O., Denver
“I am often distressed at the way some Christians take as a given that Christians and Christianity define goodness. Many of we non-Christians make a practice of doing good; we, too, have a well-developed ethical system, and are devoted to making the world a better place. Christians hardly have a monopoly on what’s right, or good, or just.”– C.R., Seattle
“Christians seem to have lost their focus on Jesus’ core message: ‘Love the Lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.’”– R.M., Tacoma, WA
“I have no problem whatsoever with God or Jesus – only Christians. It’s been my experience that most Christians are belligerent, disdainful and pushy.” — D.B., Atlanta
“Whenever I’m approached by an evangelist – by a Christian missionary – I know I’m up against someone so obsessed and narrowly focused that it will do me absolutely no good to try and explain or share my own value system. I never want to be rude to them, of course, but never have any idea how to respond to their attempts to convert me; in short order, I inevitably find myself simply feeling embarrassed–first for them, and then for us both. I’m always grateful when such encounters conclude.”– K.C., Fresno, CA.
“I don’t know whether or not most of the Christians I come across think they’re acting and being like Jesus was – but if they do, they need to go back to their Bibles, and take a closer look at Jesus.” — L.B., Phoenix
“I grew up Jewish in a Southern Baptist town, where I was constantly being told that I killed Christ, ate Christian babies, and was going to hell. So I learned early that many Christians have – or sure seem to have – no love in their hearts at all. It also seems so odd to me that Christians think that if I don’t accept their message my ears and heart are closed, because it seems to me like they have excessively closed ears and hearts to anyone else’s spiritual message and experience. They seem to have no sense of the many ways in which God reaches out to everyone. As far as I’ve ever known, Christians are narrow in their sense of God, fairly fascistic in their thinking, and extremely egotistical in thinking God only approves of them.”– B.P., Houston
“I wish Christians would resist their aggressive impulses to morph others into Christians. Didn’t Jesus preach that we should all love one another?”– M.G., Shoreline, WA
“I’m frequently approached by Christians of many denominations who ask whether I’ve accepted Christ as my savior. When I have the patience, I politely tell them that I’m Jewish. This only makes them more aggressive; they then treat me like some poor lost waif in need of their particular brand of salvation. They almost act like salespeople working on commission: If they can save my soul, then they’re one rung closer to heaven. It’s demeaning. I always remain polite, but encounters like these only show disrespect and sometimes outright intolerance for my beliefs and my culture. In Judaism, we do not seek to convert people. That is because we accept that there are many paths to God, and believe that no one religion can lay sole claim to the truth or to God’s favor. Each person is free to find his or her own way. To Christians I would say: Practice your religion as you wish. There is no need to try and influence others. If your religion is a true one, people will come to it on their own.”– M.S., Honolulu
“When did it become that being a Christian meant being an intolerant, hateful bigot? I grew up learning the positive message of Christ: Do well and treat others with respect, and your reward will be in heaven. Somehow, for a seemingly large group of Christians, that notion has gone lost: It has turned into the thunders and lights of the wrath of God, and into condemning everyone who disagrees with them to burning in the flames of hell. Somehow, present-day Christians forgot about turning the other cheek, abandoned the notion of treating others like they would like to be treated themselves; they’ve become bent on preaching, judging, and selfishly attempting to save the souls of others by condemning them. What happen to love? To tolerance? To respect?”–S.P., Nashville
“There are about a million things I’d like to say to Christians, but here’s the first few that come to mind: Please respect my right to be the person I’ve chosen to become. Worship, pray and praise your God all you want–but please leave me, and my laws, and my city, and my school alone. Stop trying to make me, or my children, worship your god. Why do we all have to be Christians? Respect my beliefs; I guarantee they’re every bit as strong as yours. Mostly, please respect my free will. Let me choose if I want to marry someone of my own sex. Let me choose if I want to have an abortion or not. Let me choose to go to hell if that’s where you believe I’m going. I can honestly say that I’d rather go to hell than live the hypocritical life I see so many Christians living.”– D.B., Seattle
“I had a friend who was, as they say, reborn. During my breaks from college she invited me to her church, and I did go a couple of times. In a matter of a month, at least ten people at her church told me that I was going to hell. The ironic thing is that I do believe in God; I’ve just never found a church where I felt at ease. However, in their eyes, I was nothing but a sinner who needed to be saved. I stopped going to that church (which in the past four years has grown from a small to a mega-church), but in time, through my friend, have seen some of these people again. None of them ever fails to treat me exactly as they did four years ago. All I can say is this: Constantly telling someone they’re going to hell is not a good way to convert them.”– A.S., Chicago
“I am a former ‘born again’ Christian. It’s been my personal experience that Christians treat the poor poorly–much like the Pharisees did in the parable of the old woman with the two coins. I found the church to be political to a fault, and its individual members all too happy to judge and look down on others. As a Christian, my own fervor to witness was beyond healthy. My friends would come to me to vent and express emotions, and all I would do is preach to them. I was of no real comfort to them. I never tried to see anything from their perspective.”– J.S.W, Philadelphia
“Once Christians know I’m gay, the conversion talk usually stops. Instead, I become this sympathetic character who apparently isn’t worthy of the gift of Christ. From my childhood in a Baptist church, I recall the ‘loathe the sin, love the sinner’ talk, but as an adult I can’t say I’ve often found Christians practicing that attitude. Deep down, I’m always relieved to avoid disturbing “conversion” conversations with Christians; discussing one’s most intimate thoughts and personal beliefs isn’t something I enjoy doing with random strangers. But at the same time, I feel as though Christians make a value judgment about my soul on the spot, simply because I am gay. I don’t pretend to know the worth of a soul, nor the coming gifts to those who convert the masses, but I would guess converting the sinful homosexuals would merit a few brownie points. But I get the feeling that most Christians don’t think we’re worth the hassle.”– R.M., Houston
“Religion always seemed too personal for me to take advice about it from people I don’t know.”– D.P., Denver
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Wow. That is alot of anger and frustration on all parts. If people don’t agree, walk away. No one is going to win anyone over with nastiness. Some things you must leave to God. Crimany. Who ever you are, Matthew, walk away. You do more harm than good. I wish you could see that. God values and loves all of us, no matter how we feel about Him.
I am suprised by the comments of non christians but maybe I should not be. We are the worst people sometimes. Intolerant, hateful, gossips, rigid and hypocritical. Wow. On the other hand, some of us try so hard to do and say the right thing all of the time and it is just impossible. All I would ask of non christians is just don’t judge us too harshly. We don’t have some magic potion to be perfect. If anyone does, dump it because it is a fake potion. We just all try to do a little better all the time and when we fall, hopefully we get back up again and try not to look stupid. I am sorry for all of the arrogant stuffed shirts out there. They give the total wrong picture of Jesus. Believe me, He was none of those things. He conformed to almost nothing. He brought freedom to a rigid society. Boy am I grateful. But God still has the most excellent way. And for me, He is the only way. No one else would die for a bunch like us.. Really. But to Jesus, we are worth it. Do I get it? No. Do I love it and accept it? You bet!!!!
I can totally understand where they’re coming from. I’m Catholic, and even I have had people of other Christian denominations try to convert me – and then, when I tell them thank you, I’m a practicing Catholic, they tell me I’m wrong for worshiping the saints and continue trying to convert me even though I already believe in God and Jesus like they do! (By the way: We do not WORSHIP saints: We honor them. They’re a combination of the Catholic hall of fame and God’s secretaries.)
Gandhi had a nice quote similar to what at least one of the people above said:
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Well said, sir, well said.
Reading through this, along with all the comments amazed me.
A lot of people that were claiming to be Christians in these comments where not acting like them. Saying that is not a correction out of hate, but out of love.
Being a Christian has become almost a social status, or a "club" to be into.
Jesus DID NOT die on the cross to start a religion, He died to start a revolution.
1 Corinthians chapter 13 talks about love.
Guys LOVE is the number one thing we must possess. Without love WE ARE NOTHING.
If a non-christian says something you don't agree with, don't interupt them or say, "No, you're wrong.". Be their friend. Jesus was friends with plently of people that weren't Christians and showed them love, even if they never became Christians.
It's love guys.
One of my friends is actually gay and I asked him if he'd like to hang out or something, and he said "Wait don't you go to church?" and I replied "Yes, why?". Then he told me "Well doesn't that mean we can't hang out since I'm gay?" and I told him, "No why would you think that?" and this is what he told me. "Wow, you're the first Christian to ever tell me that. Every other one told me that I'm going to hell. I always wanted to go to church and have a relationship with Jesus but every church I went to kicked me out."
Guys let me tell you something, that broke my heart ten thousand times over. Does that sound like the church Jesus wanted? I actually led that friend to Christ after just showing him love and compassion and he eventually just wanted to know how I had that kind of love for people like him that everyone else hated, and my answer was Jesus.
Guys seriously, if someone doesn't agree with you being a Christian, you are STILL called to love them.
If anyone has any questions or anything at all that they'd like to just talk about, please feel free to ask for my email.
RM from Houston's comment is sorta out of step with the others. Everyone gripes about Christians attempting to convert them, especially when they get too aggressive.
But RM seems offended that they don't.
I can't you can't please everyone. Damned if you do..
I think the original point has been lost here – even if you DO believe that it's your duty to save hell-bound non-believers, even if you spend all your time doing so, you're wasting your efforts (and, according to your own religion) possibly doing a lot worse if you don't first LOVE the people you're trying to save.
"But I'm loving them by bringing them to Jesus" doesn't fly. If you know anything about love at all, you know it takes patience, diligence, good will, THOUGHT (both fore and after), and also a dedication of time and insight. Are you giving those things, even in the slightest way, to someone you encounter on a street-corner? Evangelists would do better to (as some other religions do) spend their time making sure that people who WANT to convert are doing so effectively and with maximum knowledge and trust.
Anything less is superficial and, as John points out, mostly ineffective.
Once I was on the streetcorner waiting for the bus and a group of die hards from the country showed up at the intersection with signs and posters all about sin. These were the stereotypical little old church ladies. Everyone on the bus was disgusted. Someone said, "they think they're gonna come up here and show all the sinners in the big city." People laughed. It was one of the only times I've heard strangers agree on religion.
In my beautiful religion, the one your Jesus followed, a rabbi is supposed to turn away a convert three times, just to make sure they are serious. Imagine if Christianity did something similar. I actually think it would be a more effective tactic, a kind of reverse psychology.
Finally, I would like to offer this very superficial biblical thought: according to the New Testament (if that's a benchmark or not), when they asked Jesus what the most import rule was, he didn't say "believe in me". He said love.
Yup. Doesn’t sound superficial to me. It sounds deep.
THANK YOU. Caps for yelling, cheerleading, back flips and yes, emphasis.
A long time ago, a woman who could not be more different from me said, “DR I love you but you know what? I really *like* you. I just like you, you’re interesting and so fun to be around.”
Christians seem to use the word “love” so much that we don’t even know what it means anymore. I think to really challenge what it means to love those who aren’t christian could be the most worthy of discussions we could ever have. It might be listening and saying nothing at all in response. It might be taking the anger hits when someone whose been scared of and shamed by Christians for years needs to say it, needs to vent and just get it out.
The best example is my friend Sarah. She is a friend of mine here in San Francisco. She is tiny (this being an important part of the story). She reminds me a little bit of Bambi, very gentle and doe-eyed, she’d literally not hurt a fly (she captures them and carries them out of the house).
When gay marriage was legalized here, there was some really intense – borderline violent – protests at the capitol. Violence was certainly felt in the words and the signs of the Christians who were protesting. One Saturday morning she called me, shaking and crying, asking me to come and fetch her to take her home.
Sarah had watched the news at all of the horrifying things being said to gay and lesbian couples who were getting married. So she decided to take her 95 lb self one morning down to City Hall where she engaged with the protestors. And believe me, they got in her face. They screamed at her, called her a traitor to her faith. For a little woman like Sarah, any confrontation is draining so this took all her effort to engage.
I have no such issues, when faced with fight or flight I am a definitely “fight” individual, I will give you the beat down of your life if I think you’re hurting someone. So I was furious, oddly at her. I asked, “Why in the f**k would you even engage with these people? Look at you! You’re shaking. Why would you do it? They are Fundamentalists, they are unable to change.” She simply said,
“I knew I couldn’t change them. But I also knew that if I provoked them, for a few minutes there would be a few people who just celebrated getting married that wouldn’t have to face them if I took it on myself. So I absorbed it so they wouldn’t have to. I think that’s what Jesus would have done.”
Of course, I promptly burst into tears. Even writing that makes me cry. Sarah is the kind of fighter and the kind of Christian I aspire to be. She’s the one who does it right. Hope comes in surprising forms and Sarah doing that has created waves of hope for me that perhaps, Jesus isn’t bound by this horrific dogma, fear and control that so many are trapped within and choose to validate themselves with.
That was beautiful, DR.
I was raised very religiously (S.D.A.) and attended religious schooling from K through University. In 3rd grad I asked the teacher, "If I'm just a little kid and God is all-powerful and just, then how come I can imagine a world a lot better than this one?". Teacher then forbade me from playing at recess for 3 days. From that point on, I've been an atheist but it took me many many years to come out of the closet, so to speak.
WOW commenting on this post has been going on for over two years? O.O
Anywho…
As someone who was raised Catholic, then tried a born again church, then back to Catholic, then a blend of that plus Pagan, then just Pagan, now again Catholic/Pagan (and I say that last one just recently), I have been on both sides of this fence. I know part of the Christian belief is that you are supposed to witness. Even in my total-pagan, angry-at-Christianity (more on that in a moment) days, I DID NOT MIND people making that effort. AS LONG AS THEY WERE RESPECTFUL OF ME. If you ask me if I know Jesus and I say "I'm not interested," and you say "OK" or even if you ask follow up questions – what I believe and why, or why I'm not interested, or something – that does not make me angry in the slightest. I had a Jehovah's Witness who must have thought I was going to convert because every time she knocked on my door I was polite and would discuss with her rather than slam it in her face. I don't mind discussions on the topic as long as there is respect. But if you're just going to yell at me like you're Westboro Baptist Church or Bill O'Reilly, and no matter what I do or say you treat me like I am less than you, then you're going to tick me off. One of the big things that drove me away from Christianity in the first place was the judgemental, I'm-a-better-person-than-you-are mentality; the I'm-right-you're-wrong, my-interpretation-is-flawless-and-I-will-scoff-at-yours, and what I call "Competitive Christianity" ("I'm a better Christian than you are because I have more extracurricular activities (bible study, choir, etc.), know more bible verses by heart, have been in this church my whole life, never had to be converted," whatever). That stuff made me so mad! I just want to hold a sign in front of the Westboro (the "God hates fags" sign people that protest funerals and stuff) people saying "judge not lest ye be judged" "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "do not point out the splinter in your neighbor's eye when you have a plank in your own". It was the using Christianity as an excuse for their own bigotry, hate, politics, whatever people. It was the hypocrisy. I could no longer associate myself with that NEGATIVITY and hate. I felt like Christianity was tainted by these people. What once was an innocent, pure, love-filled message to me now was this murky, dirty sludge. It is only within the last several months (literally) that I finally realized how truly angry I had been, and that I can again go to the good parts without having it be tainted by what I call "the nasties." There are plenty of good Christians in the world, who do good things, and are good people. Mother Theresa. My grandmother. Etc. People that anyone of any faith or lack thereof can see are good people. But for many years I was so disgusted by the nasties that I couldn't separate the two. And even in that revulsion-to-religion state, I did not mind getting witnessed to. It didn't change my mind, but it didn't make me angry – again, as long as they were respectful. I would rather have someone, seeing the pentacle earrings I used to wear every day, ASK what that was about rather than assume I was an evil devil worshiper (despite my telling anyone who did ask that you can't worship something you don't believe in). I have had plenty of nice people who discussed, asked, and respected, and those people are a credit to their faith, and may actually reach someone who is interested and ready to listen to their message, whatever it is. It's the people who are rude, arrogant, disrespectful, and, as one of the commenters above said something about, will try with some people but completely write off those they deem "too far gone" – his example was gay people, my personal experience was once sitting at a bus stop when a carload of Jehovah's Witnesses stopped and handed out pamphlets to EVERYONE EXCEPT ME – a tiny little girl that dresses conservatively, btw, so not stereotypically intimidating in any way – because I was reading a book for all to see titled "Being A Pagan." I laughed *so hard*. Scared of the little pagan girl? Or am I too far gone to be saved? Really? Shouldn't I have been the one they should have TRIED to "save"?
Anyway… you don't have to think all paths are the right path. You can think your way is best. I honestly don't mind. But when I tell you that your way is not for me, accept my answer, and don't treat me like I am less than you. Even if your way is the best way, that doesn't make you a better person. You're still human and mess up and sin, same as anyone. That's all I ask. Respect, please and thank you.
Wow. I really said a lot there. Sorry about that.
No, don't be sorry. This was really good. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I like it a lot.
Id: I don’t think I’ve said anything about any certain rituals being required. Our culture doesn’t have any say in Truth. Truth is supremely transcendent. Would you subject ultimate Truth to the whims of culture? Then culture has become your god, and you will be as surely dead as your culture will surely someday die. Now what is Zeus that He should be considered a distinct entity from the Most High? Labels for it come and go, but God is eternal! And if not for that, why would you advise that I should be a moral person? What point is there in it then?
May God bless you and yours as well, Id!
Tom: The Gospel of Thomas doesn’t seem to allow any other possibility than that the Way to God is one. Even just from what you’ve quoted: saying 3 clearly indicates that no other Way is possible but through knowledge of oneself; saying 44 shows that if you go against the Holy Spirit, you cannot make it into the Kingdom; and 55 and 108 don’t seem to speak directly to this matter either way. The Gnostic view is not a completely different interpretation. The Gospel of John, for instance, also backs up the assertion that Jesus is the Light, but I think your conclusion is incorrect that the Light merely lights the way. Rather, Light is the Way! Gnostics would I think agree, except that they thought the material essence and spiritual essence could be separate in substance. But pure light even is made of the same stuff that forms our bodies; they are just different forms of the same energy and may be transformed one into the other. You are absolutely right though that it’s not as simple as claiming, “I believe in Jesus!” Many indeed believe, not knowing that they do! And many think they do—hearing, but never understanding, seeing, but never perceiving!
I appreciate the last sentence, Tom; Too true! God bless!
Rainne: What’s in a name?
Names define things. You believe in God – a specific god derived from a combination of the Hebrew Jehovah, the Biblical Christ, and a bunch of crap that a bunch of medieval guys threw together to control the masses.
I have a conscience, which is an INNER, MORAL SENSE of right and wrong and has absolutely NOTHING to do with your god or anyone else's. A conscience is not a divine being; a god is.
Save the blessings of your psychopathic deity; I don't want them.
Then may the almighty nothing bestow on you the greatest blessings it never brought into existence!
Rainne, you're right, the still small voice you call your conscience is not divine! It is the Mind which speaks it that is! John the Baptist was the voice—every prophet was the voice—but they are not divine. Yet the Word, in the sense of “Logos”, not “rhema”, of which they spoke, is divine, and that is, by name, in English, Christ. (John the evangelist may have been redacting the Rig Veda in this regard in producing the opening hymn of his gospel.)
Tom, humans… made of light? I've never said anything to that effect nor endorsed anything in the Gospel of Thomas which might imply that. And who regards the Gospel of Judas as a divinely inspired text? If pure light is not a physical concept, how so? Is not a stream of particles consisting exclusively of photons pure light? But if there are not only photons but also beta particles, is not the radiation received no longer pure light? And may Woden bless you (although today is Thor’s day)!
Id, my friend, what other cultures did I say were lesser or implied were inferior? Now, if you don't think that Truth and Love will survive beyond your own life, I seriously struggle to see why one should dedicate one’s life to them. I still just don't see any point: what actual good would come of it then? If morality is just culturally defined, why does it matter, unless you ARE doing it just to belong, which you’ve admitted is not the right reason to do it—so what is? Now, as for me, I do not have a need to call the fullness of perfect morality by the name of God, nor am I pursuing it because some god tells me to—I do what is right because I believe in it! And I certainly do not need some church group or religion to give me a sense of belonging. In fact, where do you think I belong on these issues exactly? Zues bless, Id!
Sorry, it would be more accurate to say, "I attempt to do what is right," in place of "I do what is right".
Sorry Matthew but I don’t hear voices from beyond. If I did, I’d get myself to a psychiatrist on the quickness.
Om… You don’t? I feel sorry for you. I hear the birds chirping and the leaves rustling in the wind and know the Spirit lives; I hear the static on the radio from the cosmic background radiation and listen in on the very moment that God spoke: “Let there be light!” Your life must seem quite dull, and the world—quite empty. But truly all around you is the vibration of the voice—a cosmic orchestra is our universe—the monosyllable: Om…
Shows how much you know. In fact, the world around me vibrates with life, color and sound. Just because I don't hear the disembodied voice of some nonexistent deity doesn't mean I'm unable to connect with the natural world around me. The universe is very, very large and I am very, very small, and I don't need to clutter my mind with the ramblings of some insane Bronze Age drug addicts to appreciate the wonder and majesty of it all.
In fact, I think I can safely say that since I discarded the trappings and limitations of Christianity, my life has been richer, fuller and happier than it ever was when I was still debasing myself in the worship of an imaginary deity that's done nothing to earn my worship.
"disembodied voice"? Now you too are starting to sound like a Gnostic, just like Tom! I'm obviously just kidding; I know you both are firmly committed Satan-worshippers
But seriously, a disembodied voice is tad bit unrealistic, don't you think? So perhaps you (like the Gnostics before you) may have missed something, because the truth can do better than that! Of course no one hears the disembodied voice of some nonexistent deity. But you appear to be proving, Rainne, that you ARE (as I knew all along–shows how much I know) hearing the embodied voice of some existing deity!
To worship Satan, I would have to admit the existence of a deity; after all, Satan is the evil god in your mythology. And as I have already told you, I don't believe in your mythology.
Further, I hear no voices at all. And you still know nothing about me. You are determined to interpret MY experiences, about which you know absolutely nothing, in the context of YOUR religion, and you will never understand me in that context because I don't speak retard.
Rainne… don't you get it? I was joking, about the Satatn-worship. Are you deaf?
(Get it? another joke–this time about you not hearing anyone's voices and so you wouldn't hear what I was really saying. Oh, just lighten up, man.)
Now, what on earth is retarded about my religion?
By the way, I'm not any more interpretting your experiences (about which I do indeed know very much, because you live in the same reality that I do and you've shared your views on it) than you are interpretting my religious beliefs!
Matthew, you're not joking, you ARE the joke. Stop dabbling in Aquinian scholastics and have your ontological self do something more productive than producing written garbage using your Wikipedia-learnt metaphysical nonsense.
Nobody gives a sh*t about your religious beliefs, so refrain from spilling your mental refuse in here. The birds you hear chirping must be cuckoos calling out to you because they recognize you as one of their own.
By the way, the monosyllable "om" is used in a number of the texts found at Nag Hammadi, so it sounds like you're a closet gnostic yourself. Furthermore, due to the wave–particle duality, perfect light is a paradox, which is a fitting way to describe the fact that you your brain enables you to communicate in writing.
I should have written this to you yesterday, Monday, since you are a lunatic.
May your security blanket god be with you
Is perfect light realizable by man? No. But is it a paradox? I think not. Perhaps you could explain how so. In any case, I really don't understand what this has to due with the topic at hand.
Now all that the presence of Aum/Om at Nag Hammadi demonstrates is the accuracy of my assertion of one Truth, disseminated through various interpretations—the Aum is associated originally and most commonly with India, and I adopted it from its present usage there to try to demonstrate what it means in relation to objective reality to be listening to and meditating upon the voice of God.
Where on Wikipedia might one find a metaphysical exogenesis of scriptures with the profound peculiarities that I emphasize? You don't get that from reading websites, but from broad experience meeting good education, informing the reading of scripture. You don't get it from mindlessly absorbing what others have written, but from meditating upon it in earnest. (And I’m not the biggest fan of Thomistic Scholasticism, which ought to be evident from what I’ve written on this page.)
In any case, I'm not here to be your teacher. I barely show the tip of an iceberg on these matters. I just know that it is best not to let irrationality and mean-spiritedness go unchecked. Indeed, what more productive thing is there for me to do (in the developed world today)?
You must think you're so funny, Tom
Could you please shut up? You are so stupid, I'm starting to get embarrassed for you.
There is NO SUCH THING as "one truth." Truth is dependant upon perspective. Don't believe me? Ask any police officer who's had to take statements from more than one eyewitness. People who witness the same event will recount it in different ways based on the angle they saw it from, their personal perspective on what happened, and any background baggage they bring to the event.
What more productive thing is there for you to do? How about GO GET A JOB. Take a class. read a book. Go DO something instead of sitting around here trying to impress people who already think you're functionally retarded.
Why on earth would a police officer take statements from more than one witness if there weren't some objective truth that he/she is trying to discover hidden among their various perspectives? Seriously.
BTW: I have a job (two, technically); I just finished up reading a book; and why the hell would I want to impress YOU?
No, I think you're a retarded moron who just doesn't get it – in all of the physical,metaphysical, cosmological, ontological, epistemologocal, ethical, political, aesthetical, logical, philosophical and psychological senses of "it."
But you DO provide amusement through your trite and hyperbolic babbling, which is totally devoid of casuistry.
If they ever put humans into zoos next to monkeys, you are sure to be the first specimen put on display. You display all the entertaining characteristics of a male orangutang sitting and playing with himself.
…Brutha, is that you?
Excuse me, Id, but but your superego's memory is a bit out of synch. Peasants on the nordic shore prayed to the almighty Odin or Woden.
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