Comments on: Atheists of America Agree: Christianity Makes Eminent Rational Sense!

By: Mike (FVThinker) Burns

Mike (FVThinker) Burns — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:49:24 +0000

uuuhhhh… You were being tongue-in-cheek weren’t you John?

By: John Shore

John Shore — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:53:02 +0000

Me? Tongue-in-cheek? Never. It makes people look at you funny on the bus.

Yes. The final comment was TiC.

By: Mike (FVThinker) Bur

Mike (FVThinker) Bur — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:54:45 +0000

Your luck Mr. Shore!! I was going to refute this from step one, then I realized you were being tongue-in-cheek.

I will leave my retort at http://johnshore.com/2008/02/28/theres-no-arg…

By: The Reformed Faith W

The Reformed Faith W — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:01:39 +0000

You are so right Angela, and we should always be ready with a defense for our faith… but we also have to remember the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are… well you know the rest.

We cannot expect the natural, unregenerate mind to understand spiritual things. Ever. Without faith, no man can please God. It's impossible… as impossible as it can get.

There are people who search for other people to argue with while referring to common fallacies from logic handbooks and indeed probably sleep with them under their pillow hoping to absorb (by osmosis overnight) every bit of knowledge in logic they didn't get in their waking hours… but they will never have the peace they seek – the peace of knowing The Utter and Complete Truth. Those who put all their trust in their own fallible, depraved human minds will be disappointed every time.

Selah.

By: Angela

Angela — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:40:29 +0000

Faith . . . means never having to prove what you believe.

Why all this arguing? Because those who believe are trying to prove that what they believe is real. If you feel that you have to prove it, then I wonder how much faith you have.

Jesus said, "Whosoever believeth in me shall have eternal life." He did not ask us to prove it.

By: Jack Musser

Jack Musser — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:40:05 +0000

I aaume you had your tongue in cheek when you so cheerily detailed a rational defense of Christianity. I assume you never studied the history of the church or read the Bible critically or read studies like Who Wrote the Bible, A History of God, etc.

I can accept the Christians who take pride in believing the unbelievable, but to argue that there is a rational reason for belief in god becoming human is a bit too much. Revel in your definance of reason, but don't insult reason by prostituting it to religion.

I am a reluctan atheist because there is no rational way of believing in the fabulous myth of a god becoming human. It was great while I could believe it, but there is plenty in the real world to pacify our need for awe and gratitude.

By: Billy B

Billy B — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:34:08 +0000

Is there a place where I can look and see the score for this on going debate? What quarter are we in? Will there be a trophy?

By: Michael L. Duke

Michael L. Duke — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:27:32 +0000

My view is this, after listening to all your “arguments” and comments.
If you don’t want God to be real, “intellectualize” Him and anything that has to do with him. Atheists desire to be right all the time, in most philosophical discussions. As Pilate said, (to Jesus – Truth looked him right in the face) “What is Truth?
Well, Truth died on the Cross, Rose from the dead, Showed himself to more than 500 humans and then Ascended to Heaven.
To Atheists, this is just a “fairy-tale” for “christians” to believe in so they can have a “crutch”. What does the Atheist have for his “Crutch”?
His intellectual prowess – human wisdom that changes with the tide of opinion anyway. Atheists desire that rational thinking prevail – that’s reasonable! But they won’t see the Truth if it stood in front of them.. (They like to swallow camels.)
By the way, atheists, without the Holy Spirit actually dwelling inside the human being…all you got are just “ideas”. So you like to tell christians, “surely you jest”, you aren’t intellectually honest!
You say to us, “You’re just sheep following a perceived idea that there is a God. I read that one of you keeeps calling God, “it” instead of God being a person. If He’s a person, then you need to really investigate who He really is and not in just intellectual ways. Intelligence is fine to use but it can border on the “delusional” without facts. Darwin worshipped dinosaurs in his evolutionary thoughts.. Isn’t it true that dinosaurs are more “accepted” in your society than Jesus Christ whom most atheists I know and have heard – swear at His name! Real tolerance and diversity? Phew!! Surely you jest,eh?
Athiests, do you want to be just like an animal without “Love” and eat your young? Pretty barbaric in your thinking, I would say.
Atheists, try finding out the TRUTH (JESUS) while you live on this planet before you have to physically die one day and THEN FACE HIM AND “BOW YOUR KNEE TO TRUTH”….Go ahead and deny God or placate him with your works, intellect, religion, or whatever method you wish, you have “FREE CHOICE” ! WHAT IS YOUR TRUTH ?
Cartoons of the 1950′s, 1960′s, and 1970′s make more sense than Evolution or the “Hidden Ancient Secrets” that titillate those of you who are only on the “intellectual” dream world Merry-go-Round….

By: Dan Cartwright

Dan Cartwright — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:27:23 +0000

I never said he did, nver said you have to, just talked about what I believe. I wasn’t even TRYING to say that he believed in ‘my’ personal God. That WASN’T the issue.

Your issue ‘seems’ to be that if any of us merely name the name of Christ or simply discuss in general, we are automatically after you, trying to force something down your throat, we are delusional mythicists, and totally mindless if we happen to quote a scripture verse. We see phrases like “Did you use leeches to cure diseases, or were they still considered demon-caused in your day?” (not yours). I find it difficult to perceive such pure vitriol from believers except in your imagination(s). I didn’t say you haven’t been criticised, but that hatred and contempt expressed with the ‘pen’ seems to NOT be the tendency of believers in here. This observation I think true even if I were merely an impartial observer.

By: Rob Miles

Rob Miles — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:31:28 +0000

breezy: I'm glad you laughed at the leeches joke. I'm acerbic, but I try to inject humor whenever I can. If it rattles some cages, all the better!

I guess you and I simply have different ideas of what "theory" means in scientific terms. Evolution meets the definition I was taught, and creationism doesn't. I guess the multi-billion dollar evolution industry has unfairly influenced that, and luckily for us you've broken yourself free from those shackles.

If anyone is interested, wikipedia has excellent articles on the scientific method, and the difference between theories, hypothesis, and simple WAGs. But be warned: by the definitions cited there, creationism can barely be considered a hypothesis, and is nowhere near a theory. I'd personally classify it as a WAG.

I spent 8 1/2 years in the Army myself. I wasn't there to defend your religion; I find your religion indefensible. But I was there, like your son, to defend your right to follow that religion. Christians don't have exclusive use rights on morality, ethics, family or patriotism (and I know you didn't say they did, but I thought I'd mention that for those who haven't learned that yet.)

By the way, for those of you who've bought into the whole "there are no atheists in foxholes", I have news for you: I was one, and there were two others in my unit that I knew of, when we were in Iraq the first time.