It must be admitted that atheists make some good points about why and how a person might arrive at the conclusion that there is no God. Fair enough; reason is a beautiful thing, and we must all respect its power. (Of course, in my last post, Atheists of America Agree: Christianity Makes Eminent Rational Sense!, I proved so conclusively that the Christian view of life is the only one that makes sense that everyone who read and/or commented on that post agreed with it. I expected no less.)
I’m so sure that Christ was God come to earth as man that I am willing to hand the atheists what I think is their final, best bet for making the case that there either is no God at all – or that if there is a God, he’s such a dunderhead that anyone who ignores him will surely be forgiven.
Listen up, atheists: This is your Big Chance. What I am about to tell you is like Achilles stopping on the battlefield, pointing to his heel, and hollering out, “Hey, everyone! Shoot me here! This is where I’m vulnerable! Just aim right here!”
Venus spins backwards.
Oh, like you knew.
You atheists have to act like you know everything, don’t you?
Anyway — since I do know you people want proof of everything — verification that Venus turns the wrong way is here.
Atheist or not, you will, I know, be upset to learn that one of our Key Planets doesn’t even know which way it’s supposed to turn. I must admit that I, too, was shocked to discover this most disorienting of facts.
Aetheist or Christian, we all want to exist in an ordered, dependable universe. A retarded Venusian revolution certainly challenges the assumption that we do.
Challenges it, yes. But wins that challenge? I think not.
I believe that Venus spinning backwards does not prove that God doesn’t exist. As we all know, since time immemorial, Venus has represented love. I think having Venus spin backwards is God’s way of bringing all of humanity together under the one great and universal truth that no matter who you are, where you come from, or what you believe in, love remains an insane thing you can’t predict, control, or feel comfortable with at all.
We can argue about the existence of God until the cows forget how to come home. But surely we must all agree that when it comes to the human emotion of love, we are, and must forever remain, out and out morons.
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Nasa is producing soap operas–cool! I'm still waiting for a showing of the other 90% of the universe.
“According to THAT book, lack of belief means condemned already, even before crossing death’s physical death’s door.”
Which is very convenient if you’re writing a book with the intent of getting people to believe it.
Wonder if the Koran does the same thing? Hmmmm…
Windyblue, try not to ruin a lighthearted post with threats.
If the atheist want to believe there is no God, fine that is there choice. But they have a big suprise coming to them when they die and stand face to face with God.
Our minds as human beings are to small to figure out how God could come to earth as a human being. When God is a spirit.
We humans are always trying to figure out things, we have to have an answer to everything, We do not accept things on a matter of faith.
Sometimes believing is the things you cannot see.
Hmm what is this post about ?
Maybe mixing up an interesting physical phenomenon with the debate on the existence of God plus astrological/mythical analogies and a human feeling is funny for some people. Not my sense of humor but anyway….
I want to say something about this quote:
“Aetheist or Christian, we all want to exist in an ordered, dependable universe”
Uhmmm no we don’t.
Every well educated Atheist or Christian or Jew or Muslim etc. knows
that our universe is BOTH chaotic and regular. Actually it is the interplay between chaos and order which brings up all the complex structures we see around us including ourselves.
And to those of the commenters here who cannot grasp the fact
that the universe is capable of producing higly complex structures by itself (without help from fairies) I just want to say, what makes you so confident in deciding what this huge , beautiful, mysterious system of which we are tiny parts can do or cannot ?
I am so happy that we have found the humor. And the love.
Whoops, that was “might be” instead of ‘be a biblical concept’.
"For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:37-39
Jeff,
I don't think the human mind can come close to comprehending the totality of God's love. As to Jesus wanting to save the world from itself, it is even more specific in one of Paul's letter to the Corinthians:
"Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep (died). 1 Cor 15:1-6
This just in (okay, as of Feb. 27) from National Geographic Kids about a new mnemonic to help you remember the order of the planets, and "planetoids" in the solar system.
A 10-year-old came up with "My very exciting magic carpet just sailed under nine palace elephants."
"Prizes:
The winner’s name and slogan will be featured in an upcoming National Geographic book about the planets, 11 Planets: A New View of the Solar System by David Aguilar, and the winner will receive a tote bag filled with books, a National Geographic tee shirt and hat, toys and other merchandise! Schools across the country will use the winning slogan to teach kids about the solar system!"
Not only that, but another news source says the mneumonic will be put to music – by Lisa Loeb – to help those kids! And every news source is using exclamation points because we're all so excited about the solar system!
John's tapped into something! Astronomy is so much fun!
And the planets and planetoids are….Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and Eris! Ceres, Pluto and Eris are considered dwarf planets!
Re: #22, Daniel:
What soap opera are you talking about? Mostly I just copied from NASA and Wikipedia to showcase another weirdity of our Solar System.
Venus represents love? Sounds like it might be a man concocted myth. I’m a mythicist and I recognize things immediately! I think the changes in the planet Venus’ (i read the link) is because of the presence os a transmission. But is it a manual (on the column or on the floor) or automatic. Maybe is has an on dash push button that some of us old guys remember. That brings up the question of who operates the gear shift?
I thought we were getting along famously today, John. I don't know abour the other guys, I haven't had a mean-spirited bone in my body today and meant nothing as intentional criticism. Where had you intended us to go?
Okay, guys, stop. I'm now officially bored to death by this endless back-and-forth. No one's going anywhere here, so … ceasing seems wise.
Did you miss the diffrent alternatives to becoming a crispy critter? Therin lies the difference. Assuming and only assuming, that hell is real, they are very different.Your misplaced sarcasm slip is showing.
Who is Richard Feynman?
yeah, what's up with that…Adam knew Eve was eating the wrong thing but did he tell her, "Hey, Eve isn't that the one God said not to eat?" No, he just stood there and watched to make sure she didn't keel over, then he bit too.
…'windyblue's' posts always make me think of Weird Al's "Amish Paradise" …'I'll be laughing my head off while you're burning in hell"
As usual I have a hard to following the way you use your arguments to get to the points you are assuming as the conclusion.
In the case of the "backward spin" this is a simple case of physics defeating atheist evolutionism. In a homogeneous thermodynamic event where the initial component has a "spin" characteristic all of the spin-off particles share the same direction of spin. So in a "mindless big bang" source event where the "singularity" spins at an incredible rate then explodes — all resulting gass clouds, particles (and as some would have it — galaxies) should have the same spin direction as the parent. They do not.
This anomaly can be found even in our own sola system. It completely escapes me how you would argue that the UNNEXPECTED event in nature is an argument for "no design, no intelligence at all".
Just like squared edges and multivector flight paths show "design" and intelligence — so also these "in your face" spin anomalies show that an intelligence is "determining" the outcome rather then just "getting stuff to explode then let the dust settle it".
Bob
If it's the 'silly old book' that comes to mind and having read it several times, the silly old book might actually call the surprises, 'promises' and not mere threats. According to THAT book, lack of belief means condemned already, even before crossing death's physical death's door.
But then again, we might be talking about different silly old books. Grimm's Fairy Tales?
Didn't say it was her threat. It may be from an old silly book, but it's still a threat. Luckily it's baseless.
I am not sure windyblue uttered an actual threat, but merely passionately raised the possibility of a surprise on a 'judgment day' where guess who is the judge. There will be a lot of surprises, I expect, since Jesus told some folks the there will be those who call Him "Lord, Lord" that won't make it through the doors. So athiests won't corner the market on that day, that's for sure!
Interesting point, Rob!
Dan C: in Adams defense, he probably didn't have much blood left in his brain at the time with which to reason properly. That could also explain the whole sitcom thing, to boot.
If the Christian want to believe there is no Allah, fine that is there choice. But they have a big suprise coming to them when they die and stand face to face with Allah.
I cannot believe I did not know this. Plus, you found out before me! This is such a humbling moment for me. I had heard about Pluto's fall but I never really gave him much of a chance anyways.
What Sam writes may make sense and actually be a biblical concept in that the bible says Eve was deceived, possibly indicating intellectual activity, but Adam bit as soon as she handed him the apple, giving birth to many, many sitcoms.
Since Venus clearly represents females and feminity, it surely follows it is the only planet spinning in the correct direction and Mars, spinning the wrong way, represents males – especially those who won't stop and ask for directions.
-Sam
Venus isn't the only crazy thing in the solar system. Uranus spins on its side – 98* from perpendicular to its orbital plane.
Uranus (or Ouranus, "Sky") is the original Greek Father – married to Gaia, who gave birth to the Titans, who gave birth or created everything else.
So, now, what does that mean? =)
-Raeliyah, lurker.
(There's also a really great article about another crazy thing in our solar system – the ratio of Moon to Earth to Sun and solar/lunar eclipses here: Solar Eclipses
Mangaloy: Sorry. Clearly, you're the Genius of Love.
Ingrid: Let it go, man. Pluto's not a planet. Now it's just a huge rock with an inferiority complex. We've got to let it go, and move on. Together, we can get through this.
'when it comes to the human emotion of love, we are, and must forever remain, out and out morons.''…..speak for yourself….
AMEN John love is the great equalizer. It makes us all stupid.
I'm with Morse how do you just demote a planet? Who does that? Pluto is and forever will be a planet!
Venus spins backwards? Blasphemy, I say! Blasphemy! And Pluto is still a planet!
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