Before I was a Christian, I just assumed that all Christians believed in Satan. Now that I’ve been a Christian for twelve years, I know that some Christians believe in Satan, and some Christians don’t.
My first six years as a Christian I attended a very large, old, rich, conservative Presbyterian church in downtown San Diego. Not once in those six years did I hear Satan mentioned from the pulpit. For the last six years, I’ve attented a very large, old, rich, liberal Episcopal church just outside downtown San Diego. Not once in those six years have I heard Satan mentioned from the pulpit. Because of my work I’ve gone to all kinds of services in all kinds of churches, and I’m not sure I’ve ever heard Satan mentioned from any pulpit — and if I have, it’s never been more than in passing. I once had a job as a Church Relations Manager for a Christian Rescue Mission, and nobody at that job ever mentioned the Devil or Satan. It’s the same in my professional life now. It’s just not something that ever comes up.
It’s been my own personal, humble experience that if Christians do believe in Satan, they don’t talk about it very much at all.
The question of Satan did, however, come up the other night during a Lenten class I’m leading at an Episcopal church here in the San Diego area. The subject of the night was evil. I had offered up my Basic Thought on the matter (which, if you care, you can read at Evil: Surprise! It’s a Good Thing!), and in the discussion afterward a man asked me if I believed in Satan.
“I think the whole idea of an evil entity existing out in the world is pure hogwash,” he said. “What do you think?”
The first thing I thought was, “Wow! Someone’s finally talking about Satan. And in a church!”
That was the good news. The bad was that the man had asked his question a full five minutes after the class was supposed to have ended. So we’re going to pick up on that subject next week.
If you were me, how would you answer that question?
(I suppose I should say that my personal answer amounts to this: I don’t care if Satan is real or not; I tend to have zero interest in questions I know can’t be answered. I know I believe in the reality of evil; and I know I have enough on my plate keeping as much of it as possible out of my own heart, mind, and behavior. And I know that’s enough to keep me busy for one life time. I certainly don’t have any problem with the idea of Satan being real. I think it’s a perfectly useful and even outstanding construct. Because it’s true that whenever you’re dealing with real, pure evil, it feels as if there is more to it than can be accounted for by the sum of its parts. It does feel separate from people in that way. So at the very least I think the idea of Satan makes perfect sense; I have found it is sometimes good and helpful to think of evil as something outside of, or foreign to, human nature and/or God’s will. As I say, though, the bottom line for me personally is that I stay plenty busy just trying to rid myself of all the selfish, greedy, petty, animalistic thoughts and feelings that I know I generate by myself, on my own, every hour of every day. I sure don’t need Satan to understand the difference between right or wrong, or to help me know when any wrong that’s happened is my own fault, and due to my own nature.)
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Children do NOT read this. I'm not EFFIN kidding! Satan is real. He can lie and tell the truth at the same time. Lies and Truth. Good and Evil. Fire and Light. Yin and Yang. Contemplate.
A mysterious platonist.
Did anyone ever notice that the Universe could be easily described as an Abyss?
I can prove that either he or bauchus is real. I have photographic evidence.
yes i belive he is creal he is a human just like ever body else and i cant wait to meet him in hell
i do belive in him also!! and i aslo belive in wearing nappies well past the age of 18!
Incredible. This started out as a reasonable thread but, wow, there are some real nutters out there. Satanism has rather declined in my area. We used to get together and sacrifice a virgin or two, innocent stuff, nowadays you can't a virgin for love nor money. We did import some from eastern Europe but, alas, the supply has dried up.
Its not easy worshipping the prince of darkness these days…
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I found this whole thread pretty interesting. Amazing really… All the different things people chose to believe in, or not to believe in. ??
I personally don't believe in Satan… but, then again, I also don't believe in God – so, this makes perfect sense to me. Sure, I believe in there is "good" and "evil"… but, I don't think it's because of God or Satan.
What I don't understand is how people CAN belive in God, and NOT believe in Satan. ?? If there's a Heaven… isn't there a Hell? And, who would it be "running" Hell, then if you don't believe in Satan? Unless, you also don't believe in Hell.. which, makes me wonder how you can believe in Heaven? I guess I don't get how people can pick and chose the parts of the bible they believe in… ??
As for not hearing Satan talked about at church? I was raised baptist, then pentecostal, and we went to a few different churches over the years. I remember lots of sermons about the terrors of hell… and the threats of Satan impacting our lives… and even the casting out of "evil spirits" and demons from people. And, I live in the Northeast US…. I guess, times…. they are a-changin!… LOL To which, all I can say is GOOD…and NOT fast enough!
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~smj
We either are with Jesus — or not.
We either believe what He said — or we don't.
I can assure you, MANY people have direct experience of the enemy. Talk to folks bound in chains by the enemy who are having a hard time getting free because they can't find enough faithful Christians who stand on God's Word to deliver them or who are too afraid to enter that arena due to lack of knowledge or understanding… or FAITH!
"This kind goes out by prayer and fasting," is what the Lord said. And it takes continual and fervent prayer. The Lord wants us to press into the darkness to bring in His Kingdom. That's what He's called us to do as His children, to be bold, not "giving way to fear."
There are so many people who need our help, our prayers, who are crying out to be released from bondage. The enemy is VERY deceptive in the ways that he keeps these people in complete fear.
Poke around the following website and you'll find authentic stories of people… MANY people have been set free, but there are many who are in bondage because they are DECEIVED, told lies that "Once you contract with the devil, he owns you," and lies like that. I know of someone who actually said that to me. To which I replied: "The devil doesn't own anybody. The Blood of Jesus cancels all contracts!"
But the deception is actually MUCH more powerful than that!!!
Dear brothers and sisters, arm yourselves with His Word, sitting at His Precious Feet, and begin to pray for the release of those who are held captive.
http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/out-of-oc…
Is evil contingent upon the existence of Satan? Or, more likely, is evil contingent upon the existence of the self-obsessed?
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