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		<title>By: Chuck Anziulewicz</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2008/03/31/what-death-can-teach-us/comment-page-1/#comment-5525</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Anziulewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever people started talking about death, I&#039;m reminded of one of my favorite poems: &quot;The Heaven of Animals&quot; by James Dickey.

Here they are.  The soft eyes open.
If they have lived in a wood
It is a wood.
If they have lived on plains it is grass rolling
Under their feet forever.

Having no souls, they have come,
Anyway, beyond their knowing.
Their instincts wholly bloom
And they rise.
The soft eyes open.

To match them, the landscape flowers,
Outdoing, desperately
Outdoing what is required:
The richest wood,
The deepest field.

For some of these, it could not be the place
It is, without blood.
These hunt, as they have done,
But with claws and teeth grown perfect,

More deadly than they can believe.
They stalk more silently,
And crouch on the limbs of trees,
And their descent
Upon the bright backs of their prey

May take years
In a sovereign floating of joy.
And those that are hunted
Know this as their life,
Their reward:  to walk

Under such trees in full knowledge
Of what is in glory above them,
And to feel no fear,
But acceptance, compliance.
Fulfilling themselves without pain

At the cycle&#039;s center,
They tremble, they walk
Under the tree,
They fall, they are torn,
They rise, they walk again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever people started talking about death, I&#8217;m reminded of one of my favorite poems: &#8220;The Heaven of Animals&#8221; by James Dickey.</p>
<p>Here they are.  The soft eyes open.<br />
If they have lived in a wood<br />
It is a wood.<br />
If they have lived on plains it is grass rolling<br />
Under their feet forever.</p>
<p>Having no souls, they have come,<br />
Anyway, beyond their knowing.<br />
Their instincts wholly bloom<br />
And they rise.<br />
The soft eyes open.</p>
<p>To match them, the landscape flowers,<br />
Outdoing, desperately<br />
Outdoing what is required:<br />
The richest wood,<br />
The deepest field.</p>
<p>For some of these, it could not be the place<br />
It is, without blood.<br />
These hunt, as they have done,<br />
But with claws and teeth grown perfect,</p>
<p>More deadly than they can believe.<br />
They stalk more silently,<br />
And crouch on the limbs of trees,<br />
And their descent<br />
Upon the bright backs of their prey</p>
<p>May take years<br />
In a sovereign floating of joy.<br />
And those that are hunted<br />
Know this as their life,<br />
Their reward:  to walk</p>
<p>Under such trees in full knowledge<br />
Of what is in glory above them,<br />
And to feel no fear,<br />
But acceptance, compliance.<br />
Fulfilling themselves without pain</p>
<p>At the cycle&#8217;s center,<br />
They tremble, they walk<br />
Under the tree,<br />
They fall, they are torn,<br />
They rise, they walk again.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Anziulewicz</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2008/03/31/what-death-can-teach-us/comment-page-1/#comment-5516</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Anziulewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What differentiates human beings from lower animal forms (as far as we can tell) is that we not only experience life as it is and remember life as it was, but we also anticipate how things might be in the future. We anticipate death. We are confronted by the notion of non-existence, and it horrifies us. We live in hope of an afterworld, and we try to conduct our lives and our beliefs in a manner that might be deserving of a GOOD afterworld. But really we should not be frightened by simple non-existence, if that&#039;s what it ultimately comes down to. By definition it simply will not matter to us. It will be as simple as going to sleep. 
 
One of my favorite authors, Arthur C. Clarke, died recently. He was an atheist. For him there was no Heaven to look forward to or Hell to be frightened away from, just a simple transition from existence to non-existance, the simple passing of one life. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no doubts that he came to his end with supreme dignity and acceptance. 
 
I don&#039;t know what animals like dolphins and elephants and orangutans think of death. But my kittycat, BooBoo, doesn&#039;t anticipate death, she doesn&#039;t worry about it even though she&#039;s almost 15 years old and not quite as agile as she used to be. When she is in the final minutes of her life (and it brings tears to my eyes just to contemplate this), I doubt if she&#039;ll be thinking, &quot;What&#039;s happening to me?&quot; She will simply stop, and I&#039;ll be left with photos and perhaps an inscribed slate in the backyard. 
 
I&#039;m going on 49 years old, and I find that the older I get, the less afraid of death I am. The concept of Hell makes no sense to me. And the concept of Heaven, at least the way it is often described, doesn&#039;t make all that much sense either. Living in an eternal state of spiritual bliss? I suppose that might be attractive if pizza were involved. But really, it doesn&#039;t sound remotely human. 
 
If lifeforms manifest spiritual components that survive physical death, wonderful. But if death is simply THE END, I can deal with that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What differentiates human beings from lower animal forms (as far as we can tell) is that we not only experience life as it is and remember life as it was, but we also anticipate how things might be in the future. We anticipate death. We are confronted by the notion of non-existence, and it horrifies us. We live in hope of an afterworld, and we try to conduct our lives and our beliefs in a manner that might be deserving of a GOOD afterworld. But really we should not be frightened by simple non-existence, if that&#039;s what it ultimately comes down to. By definition it simply will not matter to us. It will be as simple as going to sleep.</p>
<p>One of my favorite authors, Arthur C. Clarke, died recently. He was an atheist. For him there was no Heaven to look forward to or Hell to be frightened away from, just a simple transition from existence to non-existance, the simple passing of one life. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no doubts that he came to his end with supreme dignity and acceptance.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t know what animals like dolphins and elephants and orangutans think of death. But my kittycat, BooBoo, doesn&#039;t anticipate death, she doesn&#039;t worry about it even though she&#039;s almost 15 years old and not quite as agile as she used to be. When she is in the final minutes of her life (and it brings tears to my eyes just to contemplate this), I doubt if she&#039;ll be thinking, &quot;What&#039;s happening to me?&quot; She will simply stop, and I&#039;ll be left with photos and perhaps an inscribed slate in the backyard.</p>
<p>I&#039;m going on 49 years old, and I find that the older I get, the less afraid of death I am. The concept of Hell makes no sense to me. And the concept of Heaven, at least the way it is often described, doesn&#039;t make all that much sense either. Living in an eternal state of spiritual bliss? I suppose that might be attractive if pizza were involved. But really, it doesn&#039;t sound remotely human.</p>
<p>If lifeforms manifest spiritual components that survive physical death, wonderful. But if death is simply THE END, I can deal with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?</p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really elegant, and touching, Ann. Thanks for writing it. Just beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really elegant, and touching, Ann. Thanks for writing it. Just beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: ric booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>ric booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you John, I think about death a lot. One thing I&#039;ve learned from death is separation. I know what separation is and I know its definition and I have read about being separated from someone you love. However, knowing about separation as opposed to actually experiencing the complete, final, emptiness of separation are two different things. What separation IS has to be the biggest life lesson I&#039;ve learned from death. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you John, I think about death a lot. One thing I&#039;ve learned from death is separation. I know what separation is and I know its definition and I have read about being separated from someone you love. However, knowing about separation as opposed to actually experiencing the complete, final, emptiness of separation are two different things. What separation IS has to be the biggest life lesson I&#039;ve learned from death.</p>
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		<title>By: samwrites2</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2008/03/31/what-death-can-teach-us/comment-page-1/#comment-5500</link>
		<dc:creator>samwrites2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
   In my worldview death is a door to the other side - but despite everything I&#039;ve read what lies on the other side remains a mystery, as you say.
   My own opinion joins that of many that death is a sleep until Jesus gets up from his seat at God&#039;s right hand and comes to get us.
   My father died with me holding his hand. I tell people that I literally saw an angel in the room and they accuse me of, at best, hallucination due to grief. 
   Actually, at the time I filled with happiness for him. Watching his long, slow death from colon cancer convinced me death is a release in one sense.
   Thanks for another thought-provoking blog entry.
   -Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
   In my worldview death is a door to the other side &#8211; but despite everything I&#8217;ve read what lies on the other side remains a mystery, as you say.<br />
   My own opinion joins that of many that death is a sleep until Jesus gets up from his seat at God&#8217;s right hand and comes to get us.<br />
   My father died with me holding his hand. I tell people that I literally saw an angel in the room and they accuse me of, at best, hallucination due to grief.<br />
   Actually, at the time I filled with happiness for him. Watching his long, slow death from colon cancer convinced me death is a release in one sense.<br />
   Thanks for another thought-provoking blog entry.<br />
   -Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every cell in our bodies fights to survive.  Its actually one of the reasons we DO survive, and come up with marvelous ways of doing so. 
 
The fact that we are doomed to fail, and know it every minute, makes everything precious, even in the  midst of horror and fear. 
 
I believe the fact of death is why we have art, love, faith and everything that makes life so exquisite.  And then, of course, without death we really wouldn&#039;t have room for birth, or reason or means for evolution (in an intellectual, physical or emotional sense). 
 
I no longer wonder what will happen &#039;after&#039; death, because I don&#039;t think thats the point.  I do, however, think christianity is the only religion that gives one a tolerable solution. 
 
And people aren&#039;t gone after they die.  You know that, of course.  I just thought of my dad just now.  See?  There he is.  Not gone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every cell in our bodies fights to survive.  Its actually one of the reasons we DO survive, and come up with marvelous ways of doing so.</p>
<p>The fact that we are doomed to fail, and know it every minute, makes everything precious, even in the  midst of horror and fear.</p>
<p>I believe the fact of death is why we have art, love, faith and everything that makes life so exquisite.  And then, of course, without death we really wouldn&#039;t have room for birth, or reason or means for evolution (in an intellectual, physical or emotional sense).</p>
<p>I no longer wonder what will happen &#039;after&#039; death, because I don&#039;t think thats the point.  I do, however, think christianity is the only religion that gives one a tolerable solution.</p>
<p>And people aren&#039;t gone after they die.  You know that, of course.  I just thought of my dad just now.  See?  There he is.  Not gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Morse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I have. I just recognize that it isn&#039;t the actual death that&#039;s the bad thing. It&#039;s any suffering leading up to it, or any regret that the death came to soon. 
 
This is only my opinion, of course. I don&#039;t pretend to speak for anyone but myself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have. I just recognize that it isn&#039;t the actual death that&#039;s the bad thing. It&#039;s any suffering leading up to it, or any regret that the death came to soon.</p>
<p>This is only my opinion, of course. I don&#039;t pretend to speak for anyone but myself.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only guess you&#039;ve never had anyone you love die. Lucky you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only guess you&#039;ve never had anyone you love die. Lucky you.</p>
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		<title>By: Morse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death isn&#039;t horrible. How we get there, maybe. But death itself? No. Death is what makes us human. Death is what makes life worth living.  
 
One day I will look forward to death. 
 
Not of my own choosing, and not any time soon, of course. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death isn&#039;t horrible. How we get there, maybe. But death itself? No. Death is what makes us human. Death is what makes life worth living. </p>
<p>One day I will look forward to death.</p>
<p>Not of my own choosing, and not any time soon, of course. <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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