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	<title>Comments on: If We WERE Descended From Apes, At Least I Wouldn&#8217;t Have To Work</title>
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	<description>Trying God&#039;s patience since 1958</description>
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		<title>By: Spongebob Squarepant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spongebob Squarepant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like to watch Stargate Atlantis episodes and also Lost. I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Look forward to reading more from you in the future. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like to watch Stargate Atlantis episodes and also Lost. I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are looking at this wrong. Eve is the hero. Without Eve eating the apple and giving us freedom, we would all be bored stiff, being a yes man and no privacy. I love this life and love being separated from God. In a good way. I don&#039;t want my Dad watching me 24/7.

Eve is the true hero of the Bible. The liberator.

And you can&#039;t really blame her anyways. I mean how is a pathetic human, who does not even know the difference between good and evil (she hasn&#039;t eaten the apple yet) supposed to defend herself against the Prince of Darkness, God&#039;s GREATEST creation?

Makes you wonder what the hell God was doing allowing Satan in the garden to begin with. Would you allow a pedophile in you backyard to play with your child in the sandbox? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are looking at this wrong. Eve is the hero. Without Eve eating the apple and giving us freedom, we would all be bored stiff, being a yes man and no privacy. I love this life and love being separated from God. In a good way. I don&#8217;t want my Dad watching me 24/7.</p>
<p>Eve is the true hero of the Bible. The liberator.</p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t really blame her anyways. I mean how is a pathetic human, who does not even know the difference between good and evil (she hasn&#8217;t eaten the apple yet) supposed to defend herself against the Prince of Darkness, God&#8217;s GREATEST creation?</p>
<p>Makes you wonder what the hell God was doing allowing Satan in the garden to begin with. Would you allow a pedophile in you backyard to play with your child in the sandbox? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: arlywn</title>
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		<dc:creator>arlywn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tsk tsk guys. and to think that all of this is because of a fruit. see? this is why little kids shouldnt eat fruits and vegetables. Btw- who is this god person? and can he comment more often? I think he was the only one who made any sense at all. lol </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tsk tsk guys. and to think that all of this is because of a fruit. see? this is why little kids shouldnt eat fruits and vegetables. Btw- who is this god person? and can he comment more often? I think he was the only one who made any sense at all. lol</p>
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		<title>By: snowhite197</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowhite197</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen &quot;Into the Wild&quot;?  There is a part of that movie that reminds me of this post.  The kid is hitchiking and lives off of what he can find.  Well in one scene he must be pretty famished because he has found an apple and is sitting down to enjoy it and starts talking to it, like, &quot;Oh man, you&#039;re REALLY good.  I mean, REALLY REALLY good!  You are the apple of my eye!!!&quot;   
 
It&#039;s a good movie.  :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen &quot;Into the Wild&quot;?  There is a part of that movie that reminds me of this post.  The kid is hitchiking and lives off of what he can find.  Well in one scene he must be pretty famished because he has found an apple and is sitting down to enjoy it and starts talking to it, like, &quot;Oh man, you&#039;re REALLY good.  I mean, REALLY REALLY good!  You are the apple of my eye!!!&quot;  </p>
<p>It&#039;s a good movie.  <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tavdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tavdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;We share a common ancestor WITH modern apes, the same way you share ancestors with your cousins, rather than being descended from your cousins... 
 
...We are storytelling animals, and we want to be part of a narrative.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - Ross 
 
Terry Pratchett, the English author, says that assuming we are descended from early apes, we would be better described as &quot;Pan Narrans&quot; (Story-telling ape) rather than &quot;Homo Sapiens&quot; (Intelligent human). This is especially true when you consider some of the monumentally dumb things humans have done through history. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;We share a common ancestor WITH modern apes, the same way you share ancestors with your cousins, rather than being descended from your cousins&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;We are storytelling animals, and we want to be part of a narrative.&quot;</i> &#8211; Ross</p>
<p>Terry Pratchett, the English author, says that assuming we are descended from early apes, we would be better described as &quot;Pan Narrans&quot; (Story-telling ape) rather than &quot;Homo Sapiens&quot; (Intelligent human). This is especially true when you consider some of the monumentally dumb things humans have done through history.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a technical note for clarification... we are not descended FROM modern apes.  We share a common ancestor WITH modern apes, the same way you share ancestors with your cousins, rather than being descended from your cousins.  As to whether our shared common ancestors would be classified as apes, well, that&#039;s simply a taxonomy question.  The various species, genera, families, and other categories we place animals in are convenient groupings that help us organize, but do not capture the continuum of evolution.  If you held your mother&#039;s hand, and she held mother&#039;s, and so on for about 300,000 generations back (approximately the time we split from chimps and bonobos), you&#039;d have a chain about 216 miles long, and the individual at the other end would not be called human.  However, you would never identify two individuals along the chain for whom you could say that one was human and the next was not.

It&#039;s well enough to find inspiration from ancient tales like those in Genesis, and apply the insights of their authors and their times to our lives, but I&#039;d recommend making that endeavor part of a fuller and more robust outlook.  We are storytelling animals, and we want to be part of a narrative.  What better narrative is there than the one that shows us where we REALLY came from, and demonstrates that we are cousins with all life?  It is not merely a beautiful, humbling and awe-inspiring story, but one that is demonstrably true.  Have a great day, everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a technical note for clarification&#8230; we are not descended FROM modern apes.  We share a common ancestor WITH modern apes, the same way you share ancestors with your cousins, rather than being descended from your cousins.  As to whether our shared common ancestors would be classified as apes, well, that&#8217;s simply a taxonomy question.  The various species, genera, families, and other categories we place animals in are convenient groupings that help us organize, but do not capture the continuum of evolution.  If you held your mother&#8217;s hand, and she held mother&#8217;s, and so on for about 300,000 generations back (approximately the time we split from chimps and bonobos), you&#8217;d have a chain about 216 miles long, and the individual at the other end would not be called human.  However, you would never identify two individuals along the chain for whom you could say that one was human and the next was not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s well enough to find inspiration from ancient tales like those in Genesis, and apply the insights of their authors and their times to our lives, but I&#8217;d recommend making that endeavor part of a fuller and more robust outlook.  We are storytelling animals, and we want to be part of a narrative.  What better narrative is there than the one that shows us where we REALLY came from, and demonstrates that we are cousins with all life?  It is not merely a beautiful, humbling and awe-inspiring story, but one that is demonstrably true.  Have a great day, everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Sore at John Shore - all he did was write well &#171; Samwrites2&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sore at John Shore - all he did was write well &#171; Samwrites2&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think wee herd that the first time. Or are we no longer on the fAAARRRm?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not certain but that was so baaaaaaaaaad I think I actually experienced physical pain as a result. Leave it to you to stirrup trouble and steer away from the topic at hand which seems to hap-pun alot around here. Do you think the reason could be as simple as we&#039;re all just drinking too much calf-feine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think wee herd that the first time. Or are we no longer on the fAAARRRm?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not certain but that was so baaaaaaaaaad I think I actually experienced physical pain as a result. Leave it to you to stirrup trouble and steer away from the topic at hand which seems to hap-pun alot around here. Do you think the reason could be as simple as we&#8217;re all just drinking too much calf-feine?</p>
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		<title>By: carl snell</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl snell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting &amp; humorous article that you&#039;ve composed, and I can definitely relate. But Adam had a job from the beginning that was tied into God&#039;s very purpose for having created him. 
 
Refer to Genesis 2 (NIV translation) and you see that Adam was a worker from the beginning, although having the ground cursed to yield thorns and struggling to produce a crop certainly didn&#039;t help. 
 
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.  
      When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground,  
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting &amp; humorous article that you&#039;ve composed, and I can definitely relate. But Adam had a job from the beginning that was tied into God&#039;s very purpose for having created him.</p>
<p>Refer to Genesis 2 (NIV translation) and you see that Adam was a worker from the beginning, although having the ground cursed to yield thorns and struggling to produce a crop certainly didn&#039;t help.</p>
<p>4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. </p>
<p>      When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, </p>
<p>15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.</p>
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		<title>By: samwrites2</title>
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		<dc:creator>samwrites2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric,  
  That would be &quot;ewe.&quot;  
  But seriously, I had to leave this blog party. I&#039;m approaching pun saturation. Mind has gone blank and I can&#039;t bare any more pirate or animal jokes. 
  -Sam </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, </p>
<p>  That would be &quot;ewe.&quot; </p>
<p>  But seriously, I had to leave this blog party. I&#039;m approaching pun saturation. Mind has gone blank and I can&#039;t bare any more pirate or animal jokes.</p>
<p>  -Sam</p>
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