After my wife Cat and I had spent six years as members of our very first church home–a Presbyterian USA church—we were asked to sign a document asserting that under no circumstances should anyone involved in a same-sex relationship be allowed to hold “any position, of any authority whatsoever” at that church.
We had both been elected deacons of the church—which is how we learned that you couldn’t actually become a deacon at our church until you signed this document.
I actually thought the Deacons Committee lady was kidding when she laid copies of the anti-gay statement before us. We knew this lady. She was in the weekly small group Bible study Cat and I had attended for years. We liked her.
“Wouldn’t it be funny if there really was such a document?,” I laughed
Looking slightly confused, our friend said, “But there is. That’s this document right here.” She nudged the papers a little closer to our side of the table. “You have to sign this.”
I looked at Cat, whom I saw was already looking at me.
Whoops. Now boarding for Crazy Town.
We both silently bent to read the document.
Done with that, I asked our friend, “Do we really have to sign this in order to become deacons? Are you actually not kidding?” I’m a fairly private person. Plus, I’m sane. So I like to keep to a minimum signing my allegiance to clumsily articulated amalgams of theological proclamations and discriminatory hiring policies.
“No, I’m not kidding.” She smiled sweetly. “You have to sign it. All deacons have to sign it.”
“But … that doesn’t really make sense,” I said. “Why would we have to sign something like this before we’re deemed worthy to man the donuts table between services, and to help pass around the collection plate? That’s a little … draconian, don’t you think? Actually making someone sign their name to something? Isn’t that just a little too … Joe McCarthy? You understand how that feels a little extreme, right?”
She did not understand this. At all.
“Plus, Cat and I have been members of the church for six years. In all that time, I’ve never once heard anyone associated with this church say a single thing about homosexuality. Never a word about it from the pulpit; never in a meeting; never in a class; never in the bulletin; nothing on our website; never a word about it in our Bible study class. Total silence. And yet this issue is so important to the church that you can’t become a deacon here unless you sign something specifically about it. Doesn’t that seem a little weird to you? If we’re going to believe in a position about something as strongly as we clearly believe in our position on this matter, shouldn’t we, at least every once in a while, say something about that belief? If we believe it, we should preach it. People in the congregation have a right to know the rules of the club they’re in. It’s not fair that we’re just learning about this now.”
“Well, I’m sorry that you weren’t aware of our church’s position on this. But this is what we believe. And you both have to sign this if you want to become representatives of our church.”
“But we’re talking about being deacons, right?” piped in Cat. The slight hint of maniacism I detected in her voice almost made me feel sorry for the woman across the table. “It’s not like we’re being named pastors of the church. We’re talking about being deacons. Visiting shut-ins. Helping put out chairs at meetings. That sort of thing, right? Nothing that has anything whatsoever to do with who should or shouldn’t be hired at the church. Just deacons, right?”
But, alas, our choices turned out to be exactly two: Either sign the “no homosexual should be so much as a door greeter or janitor at our church” document — or, by virtue of not signing it, fail to qualify as deacons.
“Please let us be deacons without signing the paper,” we later begged the powers-that-be at our church (almost all of whom were in our Bible study group). “We love this church. We’d love to help with it. It’s not like we’re going to be in a position of hiring anyone at the church anyway. Isn’t it possible to allow us to serve as deacons without our having to sign the paper?”
Yeah, that’d be a no.
Which put my wife and me in the weird position of being members of a church we’d been deemed unworthy to be deacons of.
Don’t you just hate it when you’re reduced to the status of second-class citizen in your own church?
The Sunday following the week in which I tried to get anyone in our church to just talk to me about the whole gay issue, the pastor of the church — someone I considered a personal friend, whose house Cat and I had often visited, with whom I’d been going to lunch once a month for years — placed in the lobby of our church, right beside the doors leading into the sanctuary, a stack of stapled copies of a paper he wrote about how people who don’t hold the “correct” view on homosexuality are heretics.
Everyone knew perfectly well for whom the message of his paper was intended.
And just like that, Cat and I were understood to be heretics.
Pretty soon thereafter Cat and I left that church, which had always meant so very much to us.
Cat cried for weeks.
[Update: Some ten years later, I had the distinct pleasure of writing Meet Scott Anderson, Soon To Be the First (Openly) Gay Minister Ordained by Presbyterian U.S.A.]















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We “debated” or “discussed” this in class once. On one side, a fair argument can be made for, shall we say, “doctrinal purity”: To whit, if any religion or belief system is to survive across the span of generations, certain if not all teachings must be absolute. (Even in cases of an absolute belief system there will be changes over time, but starting from an absolute unwavering stance slows the process down enough so that change is almost automatically documented – the present knows how it got there.) Remember, in a sense the core function of any church is the transmission of a set of ideas over time. That is not the sole function, but it is an important one.
On the other hand, it is odd that, having declared a doctrine of “love” and “peace” and grace”, Christianity immediately begin placing all sorts of restrictions on love, peace, and grace. One cannot love except… Peace be upon the faithful, war upon the unbeliever… grace is… conditional. One the hand a magnificent breadth of vision, on the other, blinders.
I would argue that this paradox arises not from Christianity, but from Christians; not from any one Faith, but the faithful. We are only human. Forgive them, they did not know what they did (but maybe it still came from a good place in the beginning).
oooh. I’m so sorry. May you find a way to be gracious and loving, knowing you serve a grace-giving, loving God who is able to redeem the lost lambs like us, and like those who think differently, trusting that “Love wins” because God wins, and God is love.
Christians should follow 1 rule: Love the lord with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Everything from abortion to zoology. Is this the most loving way to act is the question to ask in a tough situation.
this was in my heart when my friend came out to me when i was 16. We are still friends. that is Agape.
I also know the pain of leaving a church that tries to fine print the congregation (Teach SS class vs. membership – which I thought was a renewal of baptismal vows. & i wasn’t there emotionally. We’d taught for 2 years and attended every week. go figure) Good luck to all with open hearts!
i am a member of a church that i don’t actually attend. not for any doctrinal reasons, i’m just not a very social person. not really sure what the stand on glbt is, though i would guess it to be fairly liberal (they did let me teach the high school sunday school class for several years with no complaints about my teaching). hope i never have to make a decision like yours, though. must have hurt a lot. for what little it’s worth, i agree with you..
Although I was raised Presbyterian I am currently a Methodist and when I was approached by my Pastor to be a trustee (I was already out to her) I tried to get out of it by saying that I didn’t think that the majority of the church would like it if they knew they had a lesbian for a trustee. She said it was ok (dang it). I’ve been a trustee for at least seven years now. But the other day when I mentioned in a women’s church book club that I felt we should be doing some outreach to the gay communiy and letting them know that God loves them too, there was no response. Admittedly I wasn’t really expecting them to like the idea but I think it’s a message that needs to be said.
Recently our pastor said homosexuality is not God’s best and therefore is a sin. My husband was furious when we left church that Sunday. Two of my husband’s three brothers, my cousin, my nephew and a few of my friends are gay. We still haven’t left. Still trying to decide if this is a deal-breaker. It was only one statement by the pastor and it hasn’t been mentioned again (non-denominational church with Baptist and pentacostal influences– no there IS NOT any speaking in tongues there). Still on the fence because of the relationships we’ve formed with other members. Any advice?
“In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
Speak to your pastor about your feelings and go from there.
Silence implies agreement/acceptance. Attitudes won’t change unless ALL of us stand up to the closed minds that create such levels of animosity that cause kids to kill themselves for being GLBT. I’m straight, but I have friends and family members in this group. I’m starting to find my voice, too!
Tough call. I think it is both very American and very Christian to sometimes agree to disagree, to defend one another out of a greater love even if we think the worst of each other at times. And yet:
“First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.” -Martin Niemoller, 1955
Hatred is such a subtle pernicious disease. Unchecked it grows beyond all its original bounds.
Good for you two, not signing that document.
Unbelievable…well, not really…horribly sad though. And I too, like Sonnie always drop the other subject to see if it sounds right. I see a lot of folks using the “I” where they should be using “me”…drives me batty!! Sorry =)
This reminds me of my mother-in-law’s church. During the time my husband was growing up, she belonged to a more or less ordinary Baptist church. After her divorce and remarriage, she joined her husband’s church, which was an independent Baptist, very fundamentalist church. Among other things it would not allow women to attend financial meetings, as this was supposed to violate somehow the rule about women speaking in church. This was a very competent woman who had been a financial officer at her company for 30 years!
The weird thing is that she openly told us she disagreed with the church’s position. My husband asked her how she could stand it, and she just shrugged and said no church was perfect.
She did leave eventually, though. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when her 100-year-old mother, who had been a Baptist all her life and was pretty much as saintly a human being as I’ve ever met, visited their church, and they wouldn’t allow her to take communion because she “wasn’t a member.” She had a signed thing from her own pastor, but they told her that in order to take communion she had to be a member of that exact congregation. Basically unless you went to church in that BUILDING, you were a heretic.
Was the church Primitive Baptist? My dad has some relatives that go to one. They practice closed communion, too. That practice is neither charitable nor biblical, in my opinion.
At the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church of my youth before communion was served the minister would give a warning to the congregation about unbelievers taking communion “unadvisedly” and asked all those who were born again to raise their hands and told those who did not raise their hands not to take communion because God would not “hold them guiltless” if they did.
They too believed the only “true Christians” were other IFB members. Not even Southern Baptists, they were too liberal.
Ugh. Nothing like a little guilt and embarrassment to keep up the morale.
We became second class citizens at the Presbyterian Church I had attended since childhood when it became known that I was mentally ill. I have never been too sure how so many knew and why it was such a problem.
From there we went to one of those “non denominational” denominations. We were initially greeted warmly. Then, I didn’t have enough faith because the healing prayers didn’t work. Followed up with, I couldn’t possibly be a born again Christian because I had an advanced degree in Psychology. Both of those beliefs of that church, I internalized. I believed that I had been forsaken by God. It became a life or death situation because I was suicidal and required a two week hospitalization.
My husband helped me most of all by showing me scriptures that helped me understand that God had not forsaken me, those vocal church members had.
Is it any wonder I do not attend a church?
This post had me holding my head. I can’t believe that people would throw away relationships like that.:(
Robin, do you mean that the couple should have signed the paper and stayed with the congregation or do you mean the church shouldn’t have treated them so badly?
Peace,
Sharon
It’s always difficult to determine with Christians what is allowed and what is not allowed. That in itself is a sad process; that we would have criteria that people have to meet in order for them to be useful to God. The God I know uses people who are perfect – perfect scoundrels!
Tammy and I just left a small start-up church that we were supporting with time, prayer, preaching and money. I had asked why Tammy was recused the opportunity to provide special music. Four weeks later I was called to meet with the pastor, who is a personal friend (his daughter is in charge of the music). I was presented with a page of notes on objectionable posts on our Facebook pages. I wrote my friend the next day and told him we wouldn’t be returning.
As the sabboth was made for man, and not man for the sabboth, so should be the rest of the institutions of faith.
Whoa. That is so freaking crazy.
Dear Richard…..I’m so sorry. We experienced this in the Fundamentalist churches of my youth. It reminds me of this:
Matthew 15
That Which Defiles
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’”
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Bless you in your new beginning and comfort in your pain of leaving old friends behind.
I can never read that passage without thinking, “Yeah, but Jesus, you should still really wash your hands!”
I guess the good Lord didn’t have to worry about Hepatitis.
Funny how those fundies conveniently forget about passages like this so they don’t have to hold themselves accountable. It’s only the rest of us filthy heathen who have to uphold the standard.
Your last sentence, in particular, rings true for me.
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