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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14274</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindssey: &quot;Hear God’s heart, Julia. Follow your path. Practice peace.&quot;

That IS the way of God, is it not? 

And THAT; in a nutshell, is my Path.

Thank you, Lindsey. Mitakuye Oyasin,

Be The Peace,

~julia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindssey: &#8220;Hear God’s heart, Julia. Follow your path. Practice peace.&#8221;</p>
<p>That IS the way of God, is it not? </p>
<p>And THAT; in a nutshell, is my Path.</p>
<p>Thank you, Lindsey. Mitakuye Oyasin,</p>
<p>Be The Peace,</p>
<p>~julia</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14272</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one can follow God and even Christ without the constraints of traditional &quot;Christianity&quot;.  I myself have practiced Buddhism and I have a friend who practices Bhakti Hinduism as a way to follow Christ.  It&#039;s confusing, even maddening, but I don&#039;t think you need to stick a &quot;Christian&quot; bumper-sticker on yourself in order to follow God.  The Church has become a HUGE stumbling block, I don&#039;t blame people who would rather not be associated with it.

Hear God&#039;s heart, Julia.  Follow your path.  Practice peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one can follow God and even Christ without the constraints of traditional &#8220;Christianity&#8221;.  I myself have practiced Buddhism and I have a friend who practices Bhakti Hinduism as a way to follow Christ.  It&#8217;s confusing, even maddening, but I don&#8217;t think you need to stick a &#8220;Christian&#8221; bumper-sticker on yourself in order to follow God.  The Church has become a HUGE stumbling block, I don&#8217;t blame people who would rather not be associated with it.</p>
<p>Hear God&#8217;s heart, Julia.  Follow your path.  Practice peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14271</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is simply not the Path I was called to walk.</description>
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		<title>By: Kansas Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kansas Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just being a bit curious Julia.. what is it about Christianity that you are not attracted to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just being a bit curious Julia.. what is it about Christianity that you are not attracted to?</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14269</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christain Beyer: &quot;At the risk of throwing more grease on the fire here, I think she does as a pretty good question. Take a look at the rest of the world&#8217;s religions, even Judaism, of which Christianity is a branch of. With the exception of the recent rash of Muslim fundamentalists, none of them seem to be so concerned (obsessed) with making converts of others. 
 
I might be repeating myself here, but I am reminded of the story Huston Smith tells of the Christian lady who found so much beauty in Buddhism. She had the opportunity to ask the Dali Lama how she could become a better Buddhist. He told her to forget about converting to Buddhism but instead work on being a better Christian. It&#8217;s better to dig one well deeper than to dig many multiple shallow ones.&quot; 
 
Thank you, Christian. 
 
Some do seem to seek the bridge and understand it, yes? 
 
Here&#039;s hoping others will continue to build it... 
 
Be The Peace, 
 
~juila </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christain Beyer: &quot;At the risk of throwing more grease on the fire here, I think she does as a pretty good question. Take a look at the rest of the world&rsquo;s religions, even Judaism, of which Christianity is a branch of. With the exception of the recent rash of Muslim fundamentalists, none of them seem to be so concerned (obsessed) with making converts of others.</p>
<p>I might be repeating myself here, but I am reminded of the story Huston Smith tells of the Christian lady who found so much beauty in Buddhism. She had the opportunity to ask the Dali Lama how she could become a better Buddhist. He told her to forget about converting to Buddhism but instead work on being a better Christian. It&rsquo;s better to dig one well deeper than to dig many multiple shallow ones.&quot;</p>
<p>Thank you, Christian.</p>
<p>Some do seem to seek the bridge and understand it, yes?</p>
<p>Here&#039;s hoping others will continue to build it&#8230;</p>
<p>Be The Peace,</p>
<p>~juila</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14267</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John:  I plan on getting your book oneday soon.  Maybe soon as I write mine....? ;) 
 
@ Lindsey: I believe in God.  Just not the Christian version of God. 
 
I too would wish Christians could &#039;understood the insane amounts of pleasure and satisfaction a practicing believer finds in their daily life because of God, I think they&#8217;d be more willing to listen.&#039;  
 
But, agian, the non-Christian lable gets in the way and the bridge crumbles before it had a chance.  *sighes* 
 
Be the Peace, 
 
~julia </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John:  I plan on getting your book oneday soon.  Maybe soon as I write mine&#8230;.? <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Lindsey: I believe in God.  Just not the Christian version of God.</p>
<p>I too would wish Christians could &#039;understood the insane amounts of pleasure and satisfaction a practicing believer finds in their daily life because of God, I think they&rsquo;d be more willing to listen.&#039; </p>
<p>But, agian, the non-Christian lable gets in the way and the bridge crumbles before it had a chance.  *sighes*</p>
<p>Be the Peace,</p>
<p>~julia</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14266</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Julia:  If you believe in God and choose to ignore him, yes, you&#039;re willingly choosing.  If you don&#039;t believe in God then you don&#039;t believe.  *shrug*  If you want a serious and in depth discussion about this topic, pick up the phone and call your local pastor in whatever flavor of Christianity you fancy to study.  If you&#039;re bored, might I suggest &lt;a href=&quot;http://sheldoncomics.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Sheldon Comics&lt;/a&gt;, a very funny web comic about a boy millionaire and his talking duck? 
 
@ John:  I understood that you were ribbing her, but I just had to stick my toe out anyway.  It&#039;s a pet peeve of mine that Christianity is always framed in reference to Hell when talking to non-believers.  I mean, it seems insane to deprive one&#039;s self of satisfaction in daily life out of fear of something as ephemeral as Hell.  And if people understood the &lt;b&gt;insane amounts of pleasure and satisfaction&lt;/b&gt; a practicing believer finds in their daily life because of God, I think they&#039;d be more willing to listen. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Julia:  If you believe in God and choose to ignore him, yes, you&#039;re willingly choosing.  If you don&#039;t believe in God then you don&#039;t believe.  *shrug*  If you want a serious and in depth discussion about this topic, pick up the phone and call your local pastor in whatever flavor of Christianity you fancy to study.  If you&#039;re bored, might I suggest <a href="http://sheldoncomics.com/" rel="nofollow"> Sheldon Comics</a>, a very funny web comic about a boy millionaire and his talking duck?</p>
<p>@ John:  I understood that you were ribbing her, but I just had to stick my toe out anyway.  It&#039;s a pet peeve of mine that Christianity is always framed in reference to Hell when talking to non-believers.  I mean, it seems insane to deprive one&#039;s self of satisfaction in daily life out of fear of something as ephemeral as Hell.  And if people understood the <b>insane amounts of pleasure and satisfaction</b> a practicing believer finds in their daily life because of God, I think they&#039;d be more willing to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia: You certainly don&#039;t get any argument from me on anything you&#039;re saying. As you might know, I wrote a whole BOOK dealing with---and trying to get Christians to understand and validate---the exact sentiments you&#039;re expressing. It&#039;s called, &quot;I&#039;m OK--You&#039;re Not: The Message We&#039;re Sending Nonbelievers, and Why We Should Stop.&quot; It was published by a Christian publisher. Who, shortly after it was published, decided to pull all the copies of it BACK off the bookstore shelves, and burn them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia: You certainly don&#039;t get any argument from me on anything you&#039;re saying. As you might know, I wrote a whole BOOK dealing with&#8212;and trying to get Christians to understand and validate&#8212;the exact sentiments you&#039;re expressing. It&#039;s called, &quot;I&#039;m OK&#8211;You&#039;re Not: The Message We&#039;re Sending Nonbelievers, and Why We Should Stop.&quot; It was published by a Christian publisher. Who, shortly after it was published, decided to pull all the copies of it BACK off the bookstore shelves, and burn them.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not looking for a fight, John.  I am looking for understanding.  
 
The sharing of understanding and insights between folks who walk a miriad of paths, each sacred, each unique, each with a wealth of experiences, insights and wisdoms to share with one another. 
 
I&#039;ve never been a Christian.  That does not mean I dont know God.   I have a faith, a path, one I feel with all my heart that is one with the Creator, a communion that has existed since before I took my first breath, one I celebrate and seek to exlpore every waking moment.  One where I welcome the sharing of experiences and  wisdoms with others. 
 
But I&#039;ve long found as soon as the non-Christian label comes up alot of understanding and sharing just simply.... ceases.  Somehow I am deemed.... less.  As if I am somehow deficient, unitellegent, lacking in reason and common sense.  Whereas Christians modify their &#039;sharing&#039; into what mostly becomes prosletyizing for it is obvious to them that something MUST be wrong with me for no rational and intelligent human would want to WILLINGLY be non-Christian.  Sharing becomes strained or stops altogether where communication and understanding fails.  For me to share I must now come over to &#039;their&#039; side or much of what I could share will simply be dismissed as invalid and worthless.  All because I walk a different faith than y&#039;all. 
 
I am baffled by this divide.  I just find it...... sad.   
 
I seek to find a bridge to that divide, to understand the chasm between us.  Like why choosing to be a non-Christian is so disturbing to Christians.  
 
So far, that bridge  has been elusive and hard to build.  Especialy when many seem to want to put a toll on that bridge or want it only designed for one-way traffic.... 
 
I welcome any dialogue that can help bridge that divide. 
 
Be The Peace, 
 
~julia </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not looking for a fight, John.  I am looking for understanding. </p>
<p>The sharing of understanding and insights between folks who walk a miriad of paths, each sacred, each unique, each with a wealth of experiences, insights and wisdoms to share with one another.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve never been a Christian.  That does not mean I dont know God.   I have a faith, a path, one I feel with all my heart that is one with the Creator, a communion that has existed since before I took my first breath, one I celebrate and seek to exlpore every waking moment.  One where I welcome the sharing of experiences and  wisdoms with others.</p>
<p>But I&#039;ve long found as soon as the non-Christian label comes up alot of understanding and sharing just simply&#8230;. ceases.  Somehow I am deemed&#8230;. less.  As if I am somehow deficient, unitellegent, lacking in reason and common sense.  Whereas Christians modify their &#039;sharing&#039; into what mostly becomes prosletyizing for it is obvious to them that something MUST be wrong with me for no rational and intelligent human would want to WILLINGLY be non-Christian.  Sharing becomes strained or stops altogether where communication and understanding fails.  For me to share I must now come over to &#039;their&#039; side or much of what I could share will simply be dismissed as invalid and worthless.  All because I walk a different faith than y&#039;all.</p>
<p>I am baffled by this divide.  I just find it&#8230;&#8230; sad.  </p>
<p>I seek to find a bridge to that divide, to understand the chasm between us.  Like why choosing to be a non-Christian is so disturbing to Christians. </p>
<p>So far, that bridge  has been elusive and hard to build.  Especialy when many seem to want to put a toll on that bridge or want it only designed for one-way traffic&#8230;.</p>
<p>I welcome any dialogue that can help bridge that divide.</p>
<p>Be The Peace,</p>
<p>~julia</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/02/10/top-10-ways-christians-fail/comment-page-2/#comment-14262</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of throwing more grease on the fire here, I think she does as a pretty good question. Take a look at the rest of the world&#039;s religions, even Judaism, of which Christianity is a branch of. With the exception of the recent rash of Muslim fundamentalists, none of them seem to be so concerned (obsessed) with making converts of others. 
 
I might be repeating myself here, but I am reminded of the story Huston Smith tells of the Christian lady who found so much beauty in Buddhism. She had the opportunity to ask the Dali Lama how she could become a better Buddhist. He told her to forget about converting to Buddhism but instead work on being a better Christian.  It&#039;s better to dig one well deeper than to dig many multiple shallow ones. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of throwing more grease on the fire here, I think she does as a pretty good question. Take a look at the rest of the world&#039;s religions, even Judaism, of which Christianity is a branch of. With the exception of the recent rash of Muslim fundamentalists, none of them seem to be so concerned (obsessed) with making converts of others.</p>
<p>I might be repeating myself here, but I am reminded of the story Huston Smith tells of the Christian lady who found so much beauty in Buddhism. She had the opportunity to ask the Dali Lama how she could become a better Buddhist. He told her to forget about converting to Buddhism but instead work on being a better Christian.  It&#039;s better to dig one well deeper than to dig many multiple shallow ones.</p>
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