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	<title>Comments on: Christians: Can We Please Stop Embarrassing Ourselves With the Likes of Carrie Prejean?</title>
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		<title>By: Kory Cochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kory Cochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John, 
I guess I&#039;m missing the hub-bub on the news about her as I thought it to be old news.  This is the first I knew of her &quot;modeling&quot; past.  With that said, if she really is continuing to lie and say she was underage when she was not, that she didn&#039;t know what she was doing in those pictures wasn&#039;t pornography, then I agree with you John.  Of course, I too used to do a lot of things I shouldn&#039;t have and I am a work in progress. I celebrate the stance she took and fill she definitely was discriminated against for it in my opinion in the competition. Thing is, if we as Christians are not discriminated against, being treated unfairly and looked upon by the world as being weird and dangerous to a depraved lifestyle, then we need to do some self-evaluation.  If she were telling the whole truth and sharing her faith in the media then I&#039;d say she should be looked upon as a good example. Not coming with the truth even in the face of persecution, to me means that real repentance has not had it&#039;s full work, YET.  
-Kory </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,</p>
<p>I guess I&#039;m missing the hub-bub on the news about her as I thought it to be old news.  This is the first I knew of her &quot;modeling&quot; past.  With that said, if she really is continuing to lie and say she was underage when she was not, that she didn&#039;t know what she was doing in those pictures wasn&#039;t pornography, then I agree with you John.  Of course, I too used to do a lot of things I shouldn&#039;t have and I am a work in progress. I celebrate the stance she took and fill she definitely was discriminated against for it in my opinion in the competition. Thing is, if we as Christians are not discriminated against, being treated unfairly and looked upon by the world as being weird and dangerous to a depraved lifestyle, then we need to do some self-evaluation.  If she were telling the whole truth and sharing her faith in the media then I&#039;d say she should be looked upon as a good example. Not coming with the truth even in the face of persecution, to me means that real repentance has not had it&#039;s full work, YET. </p>
<p>-Kory</p>
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		<title>By: Derelict O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derelict O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or even dropped instead of stopped. Thanks anyway, predictive text...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or even dropped instead of stopped. Thanks anyway, predictive text&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek O&#039;Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek O&#039;Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Thankfully I&#039;m posting from my PC rather than my phone, so I can be Derek and not Derelict :-)) 
 
I must agree with Sarah on the presumptions that the beautiful in this world face. A friend of mine who does stand-up once pointed out that the clich&#233; about the tall and glamorous lacking personality and humour has some basis in fact. When you have good looks, you never have to develop qualities such as intelligence, personality, a sense of humour and civility to get attention from others. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Thankfully I&#039;m posting from my PC rather than my phone, so I can be Derek and not Derelict <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>I must agree with Sarah on the presumptions that the beautiful in this world face. A friend of mine who does stand-up once pointed out that the clich&eacute; about the tall and glamorous lacking personality and humour has some basis in fact. When you have good looks, you never have to develop qualities such as intelligence, personality, a sense of humour and civility to get attention from others.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things: 
1. I think that many people who have always been told how beautiful they are and a great deal of emphasis has been placed on physical beauty sometimes grow up to believe that anything they say or do will just automatically be accepted or, in this instance, believed ... simply because they&#039;re just too precious NOT to believe or forgive. What a rude awakening it must be to find out that sometimes pretty just ain&#039;t enough and a little substance is called for. 
 
2. I don&#039;t know enough about her to know if she claims that she posed suggestively or provocatively PRIOR to her years of being a Christian or not. If someone makes a mistake and asks for forgiveness AND plots a course for higher ground, then all is forgiven, amen. But LYING instead of just owning up to the errors in judgment she may have had in the past isn&#039;t OK. I think this is the point you&#039;re making, Mr. Shore. And I agree. That isn&#039;t being judgmental of her ... that&#039;s holding her to a standard that all Christians should embrace if they believe what the Bible says. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1. I think that many people who have always been told how beautiful they are and a great deal of emphasis has been placed on physical beauty sometimes grow up to believe that anything they say or do will just automatically be accepted or, in this instance, believed &#8230; simply because they&#039;re just too precious NOT to believe or forgive. What a rude awakening it must be to find out that sometimes pretty just ain&#039;t enough and a little substance is called for.</p>
<p>2. I don&#039;t know enough about her to know if she claims that she posed suggestively or provocatively PRIOR to her years of being a Christian or not. If someone makes a mistake and asks for forgiveness AND plots a course for higher ground, then all is forgiven, amen. But LYING instead of just owning up to the errors in judgment she may have had in the past isn&#039;t OK. I think this is the point you&#039;re making, Mr. Shore. And I agree. That isn&#039;t being judgmental of her &#8230; that&#039;s holding her to a standard that all Christians should embrace if they believe what the Bible says.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm . . . it&#039;s a great picture, though, don&#039;t you think?  I know you&#039;ve been trying to get good pictures in all of your posts lately, John, and I have to admit, you worked it with this one. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm . . . it&#039;s a great picture, though, don&#039;t you think?  I know you&#039;ve been trying to get good pictures in all of your posts lately, John, and I have to admit, you worked it with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Derelict O&#039;Brie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derelict O&#039;Brie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble I think is that some people seem to need to embrace the whole person on the basis of agreeing with them on one or a couple of subjects. Standards for places on pedestals seem to have stopped considerably in recent times. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble I think is that some people seem to need to embrace the whole person on the basis of agreeing with them on one or a couple of subjects. Standards for places on pedestals seem to have stopped considerably in recent times.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the real judgment being passed against the &quot;christian&quot; media???  Which is where I humbly think it should be focused. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#039;t the real judgment being passed against the &quot;christian&quot; media???  Which is where I humbly think it should be focused.</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~Miss Hypocrite 
Carrie Prejean, the Miss California contestant, was correct about homosexuality! It is mortal filth 
and condemned by God&#039;s Word...but Prejean poses semi nude and topless EXPOSING HER 
 BREASTS and revealing the bottom of her buttocks...then lied about it...and then she parades 
her body around in the Miss California Pageant EXPOSING HER PARTIAL BREASTS and 
buttocks in a sexual immoral swimsuit before the world! 
She is 100% a HYPOCRITE and she does NOT represent Jesus Christ nor a Christian!! 
Jesus said it this way, &quot;Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery 
with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better 
for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into Hell.&quot; [Mt. 5:28,29] 
Spoken 100% in love, 
Dane Muhlig 
El Cajon, CA 
victoryworldquest.com </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~Miss Hypocrite</p>
<p>Carrie Prejean, the Miss California contestant, was correct about homosexuality! It is mortal filth</p>
<p>and condemned by God&#039;s Word&#8230;but Prejean poses semi nude and topless EXPOSING HER</p>
<p> BREASTS and revealing the bottom of her buttocks&#8230;then lied about it&#8230;and then she parades</p>
<p>her body around in the Miss California Pageant EXPOSING HER PARTIAL BREASTS and</p>
<p>buttocks in a sexual immoral swimsuit before the world!</p>
<p>She is 100% a HYPOCRITE and she does NOT represent Jesus Christ nor a Christian!!</p>
<p>Jesus said it this way, &quot;Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery</p>
<p>with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better</p>
<p>for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into Hell.&quot; [Mt. 5:28,29]</p>
<p>Spoken 100% in love,</p>
<p>Dane Muhlig</p>
<p>El Cajon, CA</p>
<p>victoryworldquest.com</p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A and C. I don&#039;t think Christians would ever look heinous and/or hypocritical if they insisted that those whom they&#039;re championing renounce their public lies. If my child gets caught in a lie, I guide him into admitting that and apologizing for it. Confessing is what we Christians are supposed to do. There&#039;s certainly no shame in Christians creating for other Christians a place and space for them to confess and renounce their purposeful, ongoing, and opportunistic lies. Instead of embracing, supporting, and aligning with CP---or, to put it more cynically---exploiting her, The National Organization for Marriage and Focus on the Family, for instance, should have encouraged her to come clean, or clearly distanced themselves from her for refusing to do so.

Annnnnnnnnd I&#039;m done with this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A and C. I don&#8217;t think Christians would ever look heinous and/or hypocritical if they insisted that those whom they&#8217;re championing renounce their public lies. If my child gets caught in a lie, I guide him into admitting that and apologizing for it. Confessing is what we Christians are supposed to do. There&#8217;s certainly no shame in Christians creating for other Christians a place and space for them to confess and renounce their purposeful, ongoing, and opportunistic lies. Instead of embracing, supporting, and aligning with CP&#8212;or, to put it more cynically&#8212;exploiting her, The National Organization for Marriage and Focus on the Family, for instance, should have encouraged her to come clean, or clearly distanced themselves from her for refusing to do so.</p>
<p>Annnnnnnnnd I&#8217;m done with this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to this party, so I apologize for the questions.

So what should those Christians (the ones who publicly supported her) have done *after* her lies came out?

Should they have said:
A. &quot;We made a mistake. We shouldn&#039;t have run to her defense. It turns out she is a liar.&quot;
B. &quot;Her statement is one thing. Her personal behavior is another.&quot;
C. &quot;She does not speak for Christians.&quot;
D. All of the above.
E. None of the above. ________________

I totally get it that you&#039;re angry about Christians making an ongoing liar a &quot;spokesperson for the faith.&quot;

But what&#039;s the way out?

Won&#039;t Christians look even more heinous and hypocritical to the non-believing world if they abandon her once she&#039;s been caught in lies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to this party, so I apologize for the questions.</p>
<p>So what should those Christians (the ones who publicly supported her) have done *after* her lies came out?</p>
<p>Should they have said:<br />
A. &#8220;We made a mistake. We shouldn&#8217;t have run to her defense. It turns out she is a liar.&#8221;<br />
B. &#8220;Her statement is one thing. Her personal behavior is another.&#8221;<br />
C. &#8220;She does not speak for Christians.&#8221;<br />
D. All of the above.<br />
E. None of the above. ________________</p>
<p>I totally get it that you&#8217;re angry about Christians making an ongoing liar a &#8220;spokesperson for the faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s the way out?</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t Christians look even more heinous and hypocritical to the non-believing world if they abandon her once she&#8217;s been caught in lies?</p>
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