Comments on: “Away, Gay Christians! But About That Charitable Work You Do …”

By: DR

DR — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 03:05:29 +0000

Wow. This literally makes me feel sick to my stomach.

By: DR

DR — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 03:04:32 +0000

Another Fundamentalist Christian who got “attacked” when he’s asked to take responsibility for the impact of his belief system on children. I need to stop being so surprised when this happens, I have to start setting my expectations accordingly.

By: Lore

Lore — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:35:00 +0000

The end doesn’t justify the means.

By: Tim

Tim — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:14:07 +0000

Maybe I'm just dense…and I probably am. I didn't have the time to read all of the comments. But even if I were a gay person booted out of St. Paul's, why would that stop me from loving, and wanting to minister to the kids at Dorcas House? Can the policies of an organization contributing to the support of Dorcas House keep the gay men and women expelled from from St. Paul's from supporting Dorcas House independent of St. Paul's? I know this is sort of a cop out on the whole issue of whether practicing homosexuals belong in church or not…personally I believe there is no better place for homosexuals or heterosexuals, for that matter.

By: John Shore

John Shore — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:25:54 +0000

The last Planned Parenthood office I went to wasn't in an "urban" neighborhood at all: it was in a nice business park in the suburbs of San Diego. So was a different one I went to before that.

By: Shooting your own

Shooting your own — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:21:53 +0000

MM:

I didn't choose to put the Planned Parenthood offices in urban neighborhoods; they did.

I think that's horrifying.

By: mm

mm — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:17:15 +0000

"or a whole generation of African-American children are aborted at Planned Parenthood offices in urban neighborhoods]"

Gee, thats not a stereotype at all. Have you ever been to a planned parenthood? I have. Not everyone is a minority when I've been there. In fact, abortion, isn't the only one service they offer. Most people are there for lots of other reasons besides abortion. But you know whatever, you can bury your head in the sand that 42% of women(whether they admit it or not) will have one abortion(for medically neccessary reasons or lifestyle choices), in their lifetime. Obviously ,if that is the case, and african americans make up less than 20% of the poplulation, then what you just said is complete bs. Which it was.

I'd like to find a god who doesn't tolerate ideas like that. Oh wait, your god doesn't, which is the point John is making.

By: Narducci

Narducci — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:44:10 +0000

I also find it a humorously freudian slip that Kory originally said “Sorry but I won’t choose to participate in such moral relevance.” instead of relativism. I find it humorous because the very thing he is blind to is the lack of relevance in the passages he cites. Morality that is relevant is a good thing. Why cite a text written by men of such an alien worldview to our own? These men kept women as chattel. They believed stupendous things which no sane person can now ascribe to. This worldview influenced their thoughts on morality. God has a way of organically guiding us, being the type of God that we need in each epoch of our existence. The stern, violent God of the old testament gave way to the message of love in the new testament. Adhering to moral edicts written by people of cultures removed from you by antiquity is like only using the reptilian portions of your brain. It makes you a beast.

By: Kory

Kory — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:24:46 +0000

Brian,
I think I”m fixing to accuse you of doing what I think you are accusing me of and that’s taking pieces of Scripture and trying to state a belief based on a few scriptures.
Here’s the deal, we probably would be better off not eating shellfish as scientific fact they are the cockroaches of the sea and contain many harmful contaminants but what doesn’t nowadays right?

In Leviticus many things are being addressed but basically God gave many laws & regulations through Moses to the Israelites so that they would be a particular people. I think the word here would be they would be sanctified through works.
Now you have to couple the Old Testament with the New Testament as all scripture is given for doctrine.. but as you know Paul states that we are to judge no one in basis to how they eat, weather circumcised, observe ceremonial holy days of tradition, etc. However Paul does say that no one will enter the Kingdom of God that contiues to willingly participate in immorality.
Eating at Red Lobster or weather you observe Saturday or Sunday as Sabbath is not a question of morality but rather of ceremony, tradition, physical or nutritional observance of which we are free in Christ to observe as the Lord leads. However, actions such as adultery, fornication, dishonesty, angry rages, stealing and much more are acts of morality of which Paul states that those that continue to practice such without any regard to repentance will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. To continue in a spirit of such disobedience and to snub God is to deny Christ as faith without works is dead. That doesn’t mean that such people are not “good” people or do good works as i do all of these sins but I seek to live in the Spirit and not do these thing but when I do them I know they are wrong and I seek to repent and through His Grace I’m able to overcome. This is the act of sanctification that is a lifelong process. Now I will not judge that someone that is gay is not going to repent at some point and I do not judge him but leaders in the church are told by Paul not to allow willful disobedience to continue within the church.
What you are talking about are entirely to different matters and scripture taken in entirety deals with this quite concisely.

Sure we could all just participate in overlooking willful sin and sit around a campfire and sing songs and talk peace and love, on and on. I think many Christians participate in such moral relativism and for that I repeat what it says in Galations 6:7 be not deceived God will not be mocked, what you sow you will reap.

-Kory

By: skerrib

skerrib — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:02:22 +0000

Narducci–"…don’t keep us around just because you need us. Keep us around because it’s the right thing to do." I think that's a really good point. Expelling the gay folks, and quite possibly shutting down Dorcas House doesn't seem right, but neither does not expelling them only because of the ministry they do to keep Dorcas House running. It seems to de-value them as people; reduces them only to what they do for the church. What if there weren't a need for Dorcas House anymore, or if somehow it became supported entirely by hetero people? Would it then be "See ya, you're of no use anymore." That feels icky to me.