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	<title>Comments on: I Believe Christians Have a Poor Kleresmaak. And We&#8217;re Selfvoldaan!</title>
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	<description>Trying God&#039;s patience since 1958</description>
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		<title>By: Guillaume</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/06/i-believe-christians-have-a-poor-kleresmaak-and-were-selfvoldaan/comment-page-1/#comment-18076</link>
		<dc:creator>Guillaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, it&#039;s nice meeting you as well! Best wishes for the new year, and all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, it&#039;s nice meeting you as well! Best wishes for the new year, and all.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/06/i-believe-christians-have-a-poor-kleresmaak-and-were-selfvoldaan/comment-page-1/#comment-18075</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Guillaume! Thanks for stopping in to say hi. And thanks for rerunning the review, and all. Please don&#039;t bother yourself with properly translating the review; that would be entirely too much work. But it&#039;s nice to meet you! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Guillaume! Thanks for stopping in to say hi. And thanks for rerunning the review, and all. Please don&#039;t bother yourself with properly translating the review; that would be entirely too much work. But it&#039;s nice to meet you!</p>
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		<title>By: Guillaume</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/06/i-believe-christians-have-a-poor-kleresmaak-and-were-selfvoldaan/comment-page-1/#comment-18073</link>
		<dc:creator>Guillaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 
 
I&#039;m the author of the said review. Weird how computer generated translations mess stuff up, isn&#039;t it? I literally stumbled upon your post - didn&#039;t know you would take note! The review was originally published in an Afrikaans church newspaper and I reposted it on my blog.  I&#039;ll be happy to do a (less humorous) translation if you want. 
 
BTW, Christine, &quot;verlossingsboodskap&quot; means message of salvation. I not sure how the word sounds when pronounced with an American accent, however ... 
 
Luvya all! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I&#039;m the author of the said review. Weird how computer generated translations mess stuff up, isn&#039;t it? I literally stumbled upon your post &#8211; didn&#039;t know you would take note! The review was originally published in an Afrikaans church newspaper and I reposted it on my blog.  I&#039;ll be happy to do a (less humorous) translation if you want.</p>
<p>BTW, Christine, &quot;verlossingsboodskap&quot; means message of salvation. I not sure how the word sounds when pronounced with an American accent, however &#8230;</p>
<p>Luvya all!</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I gave you a sample only above...I looked at and thought..er...looks like a lot of text. Hehehehe. But if you really one day need it, I&#039;ll give it a go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I gave you a sample only above&#8230;I looked at and thought..er&#8230;looks like a lot of text. Hehehehe. But if you really one day need it, I&#8217;ll give it a go.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karin: A link to the original concludes the post. But please: that seems like WAY too much trouble for you to take. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karin: A link to the original concludes the post. But please: that seems like WAY too much trouble for you to take.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google translate said: 
In a sense, this is not a typical book on evangelism is not. Inherent to our current era of deconstruction, John Shore hoist the presumptions that lives in the minds of (mostly) evangelical, American Christians. Not only does he not questioned, he also provides thoughtful alternatives to the strooipoppe his essay. 
 
My translation reads: 
In a certain sense this is not a typical book about evangelism.  True to our current era of deconstruction, John Shore tackles the presumptions that lives in the thoughts of (especially) evangelical American Christians.  Not only does the question, he also provides  well thought out alternatives for the hay dolls that he sets up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google translate said:</p>
<p>In a sense, this is not a typical book on evangelism is not. Inherent to our current era of deconstruction, John Shore hoist the presumptions that lives in the minds of (mostly) evangelical, American Christians. Not only does he not questioned, he also provides thoughtful alternatives to the strooipoppe his essay.</p>
<p>My translation reads:</p>
<p>In a certain sense this is not a typical book about evangelism.  True to our current era of deconstruction, John Shore tackles the presumptions that lives in the thoughts of (especially) evangelical American Christians.  Not only does the question, he also provides  well thought out alternatives for the hay dolls that he sets up.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/06/i-believe-christians-have-a-poor-kleresmaak-and-were-selfvoldaan/comment-page-1/#comment-17661</link>
		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, if  you give me the link I&#039;ll translate the whole thing into English. Tehehehe... Google translator tries but it doesn&#039;t get it all right. 
 
(I&#039;m Afrikaans) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, if  you give me the link I&#039;ll translate the whole thing into English. Tehehehe&#8230; Google translator tries but it doesn&#039;t get it all right.</p>
<p>(I&#039;m Afrikaans)</p>
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		<title>By: textjunkie</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/06/i-believe-christians-have-a-poor-kleresmaak-and-were-selfvoldaan/comment-page-1/#comment-17660</link>
		<dc:creator>textjunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROTFLMAO.  :) :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFLMAO.  <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Shore</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/06/i-believe-christians-have-a-poor-kleresmaak-and-were-selfvoldaan/comment-page-1/#comment-17659</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a bit more I have written on this matter: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnshore.com/2007/05/24/are-the-great-commandment-and-the-great-commission-incompatible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://johnshore.com/2007/05/24/are-the-great-com...&lt;/a&gt;  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnshore.com/2007/05/25/more-on-the-great-commandment-vs-the-great-commission/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://johnshore.com/2007/05/25/more-on-the-great...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a bit more I have written on this matter:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://johnshore.com/2007/05/24/are-the-great-commandment-and-the-great-commission-incompatible/" rel="nofollow">http://johnshore.com/2007/05/24/are-the-great-com&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>  <a href="http://johnshore.com/2007/05/25/more-on-the-great-commandment-vs-the-great-commission/" rel="nofollow">http://johnshore.com/2007/05/25/more-on-the-great&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I haven&#039;t read the book, but it sounds interesting. 
 
Here&#039;s a few questions that you&#039;ve probably answered a million times before, and if they&#039;re answered in the book, send me a free one :). 
 
You seem to be saying love one another is the ultimate commandment, while the great commision is secondary. I&#039;m not sure how they can be seperated. To me that would be like saying that helping an old lady accross the street is also seperated from the command to love one another when it&#039;s clearly not. What&#039;s your stance on this? 
 
I think even a lot of Christians are confused as to what the Gospel is. To me, it&#039;s that God has already done everything for me. He sustains me, he loves me, he came to earth as a lowly baby to live a life where many people flat out hated him, and he suffered and died for me. I think too many Christians and nonbelievers alike think that the gospel is the culture war. Would you agree that this is a misconception that we have to change, and wouldn&#039;t changing this misconception be part of the great commision? 
 
Finally, I have been reading your blogs for a few months now and I have to say I am extemely disappointed. There have been many books I&#039;ve looked forward to in my life, but the angst I feel waiting for The Shaq to come out is second to none. Seriously, where is that book! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I haven&#039;t read the book, but it sounds interesting.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s a few questions that you&#039;ve probably answered a million times before, and if they&#039;re answered in the book, send me a free one <img src='http://johnshore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>You seem to be saying love one another is the ultimate commandment, while the great commision is secondary. I&#039;m not sure how they can be seperated. To me that would be like saying that helping an old lady accross the street is also seperated from the command to love one another when it&#039;s clearly not. What&#039;s your stance on this?</p>
<p>I think even a lot of Christians are confused as to what the Gospel is. To me, it&#039;s that God has already done everything for me. He sustains me, he loves me, he came to earth as a lowly baby to live a life where many people flat out hated him, and he suffered and died for me. I think too many Christians and nonbelievers alike think that the gospel is the culture war. Would you agree that this is a misconception that we have to change, and wouldn&#039;t changing this misconception be part of the great commision?</p>
<p>Finally, I have been reading your blogs for a few months now and I have to say I am extemely disappointed. There have been many books I&#039;ve looked forward to in my life, but the angst I feel waiting for The Shaq to come out is second to none. Seriously, where is that book!</p>
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