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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-103519</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Mother&#039;s Day, Memorial Day, and Veteran&#039;s Day were also made up out of whole cloth. Yet they became popular because they met a perceived need.

I think it&#039;s unfortunate on one level that Kwanzaa doesn&#039;t have much connection to authentic African traditions. But on another level, that&#039;s kind of the point.  Slaves had their traditions ripped from them by force. They were prevented from preserving their culture. The child of slaves might be sold to another family and never learn one thing about what his mother and father did on holidays. By the time their descendents were free to exchange traditions and practice them openly, only remnants were left. It seems really unfair to criticize people for wanting to recreate a part of what was taken from them, and to create anew to celebrate their survival and who they have become.

Anyway, one of the most Christian men I know celebrates Kwanzaa. He&#039;s a street preacher, possibly a little crazy, but since I watched him talk an abused prostitute into leaving her pimp and going home to her mother at 2 am in a convenience store I&#039;m a huge fan. If Kwanzaa works for him I&#039;m cool with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Mother&#8217;s Day, Memorial Day, and Veteran&#8217;s Day were also made up out of whole cloth. Yet they became popular because they met a perceived need.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s unfortunate on one level that Kwanzaa doesn&#8217;t have much connection to authentic African traditions. But on another level, that&#8217;s kind of the point.  Slaves had their traditions ripped from them by force. They were prevented from preserving their culture. The child of slaves might be sold to another family and never learn one thing about what his mother and father did on holidays. By the time their descendents were free to exchange traditions and practice them openly, only remnants were left. It seems really unfair to criticize people for wanting to recreate a part of what was taken from them, and to create anew to celebrate their survival and who they have become.</p>
<p>Anyway, one of the most Christian men I know celebrates Kwanzaa. He&#8217;s a street preacher, possibly a little crazy, but since I watched him talk an abused prostitute into leaving her pimp and going home to her mother at 2 am in a convenience store I&#8217;m a huge fan. If Kwanzaa works for him I&#8217;m cool with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-103516</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth pointing out, I think, that &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; was not, in the 40&#039;s and 50&#039;s when it originated, just a way to avoid offending your Jewish customers when your business sent out Christmas cards, but also a way to greet people during the whole holiday season. You know, that season?  The one that includes the secular holiday of New Year&#039;s Day? Happy Holidays used to mean, to most people, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Those were the days when people left the tree up because conveniently it meant the house was already decorated for the New Year&#039;s Eve party, instead of rushing to get it on the curb by Boxing Day, because everyone had been sick of looking at it since a week after Thanksgiving.

I note that this was written in 2009. Wasn&#039;t that the year that Starbucks had the signs that said &quot;It&#039;s Red again&quot;?  I&#039;m not easily offended but that offended me. It&#039;s not fricken RED. It&#039;s Christmas. Or Yule. Or New Year&#039;s, Ramadan, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, or what have you. But in no way is anyone anywhere celebrating red.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out, I think, that &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; was not, in the 40&#8242;s and 50&#8242;s when it originated, just a way to avoid offending your Jewish customers when your business sent out Christmas cards, but also a way to greet people during the whole holiday season. You know, that season?  The one that includes the secular holiday of New Year&#8217;s Day? Happy Holidays used to mean, to most people, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Those were the days when people left the tree up because conveniently it meant the house was already decorated for the New Year&#8217;s Eve party, instead of rushing to get it on the curb by Boxing Day, because everyone had been sick of looking at it since a week after Thanksgiving.</p>
<p>I note that this was written in 2009. Wasn&#8217;t that the year that Starbucks had the signs that said &#8220;It&#8217;s Red again&#8221;?  I&#8217;m not easily offended but that offended me. It&#8217;s not fricken RED. It&#8217;s Christmas. Or Yule. Or New Year&#8217;s, Ramadan, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, or what have you. But in no way is anyone anywhere celebrating red.</p>
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		<title>By: LSS</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-103509</link>
		<dc:creator>LSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh i forgot the important part of my comment.  i just saw a presentation about Indian culture at my work, and they happened to talk about a few main holidays of India, including Diwali, something else, and Christmas.  (sorry for my memory lapse).  but the point was that many Indians were happy to celebrate each others&#039; holidays.  the implication was that Catholics might light some lights for Diwali and Hindus might be likely to put stars out for Christmas.  i think most popular holidays of most cultures/religions have a positive meaning.  if we could all celebrate each other&#039;s ones (at a &quot;believe what you can&quot; level), couldn&#039;t we learn a lot from that?!  just think how many more chances of reflection and remembrance we would have throughout the year!  
now, having said that, i am pretty glad i don&#039;t have to fast during the whole daylight of each day for a month during Ramadan... being one of those people that gets low blood sugar if i don&#039;t have some snacks during the day... and i know devout muslims who have the same problem and actually stay sick for a month when it&#039;s their Ramadan! (*_*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh i forgot the important part of my comment.  i just saw a presentation about Indian culture at my work, and they happened to talk about a few main holidays of India, including Diwali, something else, and Christmas.  (sorry for my memory lapse).  but the point was that many Indians were happy to celebrate each others&#8217; holidays.  the implication was that Catholics might light some lights for Diwali and Hindus might be likely to put stars out for Christmas.  i think most popular holidays of most cultures/religions have a positive meaning.  if we could all celebrate each other&#8217;s ones (at a &#8220;believe what you can&#8221; level), couldn&#8217;t we learn a lot from that?!  just think how many more chances of reflection and remembrance we would have throughout the year!<br />
now, having said that, i am pretty glad i don&#8217;t have to fast during the whole daylight of each day for a month during Ramadan&#8230; being one of those people that gets low blood sugar if i don&#8217;t have some snacks during the day&#8230; and i know devout muslims who have the same problem and actually stay sick for a month when it&#8217;s their Ramadan! (*_*)</p>
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		<title>By: LSS</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-103508</link>
		<dc:creator>LSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree that Happy Holidays is more inclusive when you don&#039;t know what the person you&#039;re greeting might be celebrating.  i agree that on some level, &quot;a christmas tree is for christmas&quot;.  
but it&#039;s really a pagan symbol originally, and there is quite a bit of beauty in the idea of light in the darkest night of the year reminding the people that winter won&#039;t last forever.  
and i can totally see why the ancient christians wanted to co-opt that pagain symbolism by overlapping it with a &quot;christian holiday&quot; (even though that wasn&#039;t Jesus&#039; actual birthday), because as synchretism(sp?) goes, it doesn&#039;t really get any better than that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree that Happy Holidays is more inclusive when you don&#8217;t know what the person you&#8217;re greeting might be celebrating.  i agree that on some level, &#8220;a christmas tree is for christmas&#8221;.<br />
but it&#8217;s really a pagan symbol originally, and there is quite a bit of beauty in the idea of light in the darkest night of the year reminding the people that winter won&#8217;t last forever.<br />
and i can totally see why the ancient christians wanted to co-opt that pagain symbolism by overlapping it with a &#8220;christian holiday&#8221; (even though that wasn&#8217;t Jesus&#8217; actual birthday), because as synchretism(sp?) goes, it doesn&#8217;t really get any better than that!</p>
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		<title>By: LSS</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-103507</link>
		<dc:creator>LSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a person who doesn&#039;t celebrate christmas COULD buy christmas cards for all their friends who do celebrate christmas, as well as other cards for their friends who celebrate the other holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a person who doesn&#8217;t celebrate christmas COULD buy christmas cards for all their friends who do celebrate christmas, as well as other cards for their friends who celebrate the other holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadsie</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-45174</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people tend to get dumb about this all around. When I worked retail, I had no problem telling people &quot;Happy Holidays.&quot; If it keeps the boss and everyone happy, why not? I currently live in a diverse little community with a large Jewish community so there *are* big Menorahs on lawns here, as well as the Christmas trees. I always took it that the tree wasn&#039;t strictly a birth of Christ thing, that it came out of old pagan traditions which is probably why I&#039;ve never met a Wiccan that takes offense to it....  

It would seem to me that the people who get most upset about this stuff are the hardcore atheist types, which makes me wonder why they don&#039;t object to Happy Holidays as Holi- and Days are &quot;Holy Days&quot; and the idea of days being &quot;holy&quot; being okay to them?   

There was a big stink in Philly recently.  A Christmas Village held every year - an artisan crafts/shops village with a great big tree out front had to get changed to the Holiday Village because a couple of people complained. By a couple of people, I mean, actually... two people. This was something that was enjoyed by many and two people had to go put a wrench into it. Now, on the other hand, they did have a point about it being held on civic property - and if changing &quot;Christmas&quot; to &quot;Holidays&quot; can keep them happy enough for people to still be able to hold the village, why not?  People were fighting over this thing and I thought &quot;Yeah, both sides are being babies here.&quot;  - From my view, as long as no one&#039;s trying to take away the village itself, the people who go to buy crafts there will still know what it&#039;s about. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people tend to get dumb about this all around. When I worked retail, I had no problem telling people &#8220;Happy Holidays.&#8221; If it keeps the boss and everyone happy, why not? I currently live in a diverse little community with a large Jewish community so there *are* big Menorahs on lawns here, as well as the Christmas trees. I always took it that the tree wasn&#8217;t strictly a birth of Christ thing, that it came out of old pagan traditions which is probably why I&#8217;ve never met a Wiccan that takes offense to it&#8230;.  </p>
<p>It would seem to me that the people who get most upset about this stuff are the hardcore atheist types, which makes me wonder why they don&#8217;t object to Happy Holidays as Holi- and Days are &#8220;Holy Days&#8221; and the idea of days being &#8220;holy&#8221; being okay to them?   </p>
<p>There was a big stink in Philly recently.  A Christmas Village held every year &#8211; an artisan crafts/shops village with a great big tree out front had to get changed to the Holiday Village because a couple of people complained. By a couple of people, I mean, actually&#8230; two people. This was something that was enjoyed by many and two people had to go put a wrench into it. Now, on the other hand, they did have a point about it being held on civic property &#8211; and if changing &#8220;Christmas&#8221; to &#8220;Holidays&#8221; can keep them happy enough for people to still be able to hold the village, why not?  People were fighting over this thing and I thought &#8220;Yeah, both sides are being babies here.&#8221;  &#8211; From my view, as long as no one&#8217;s trying to take away the village itself, the people who go to buy crafts there will still know what it&#8217;s about.</p>
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		<title>By: Berkshire</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-45166</link>
		<dc:creator>Berkshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are going to lift text directly from Wikipedia, maybe you can lift the entire context, in fairness.
&quot;During the early years of Kwanzaa, Karenga said that it was meant to be an alternative to Christmas, that Jesus was psychotic, and that Christianity was a white religion that black people should shun.[7] However, as Kwanzaa gained mainstream adherents, Karenga altered his position so that practicing Christians would not be alienated, then stating in the 1997 Kwanzaa: A Celebration of Family, Community, and Culture, &quot;Kwanzaa was not created to give people an alternative to their own religion or religious holiday.&quot;[8]
Many Christian African Americans who celebrate Kwanzaa do so in addition to observing Christmas.&quot;

I know a number of African Americans who *d0*, indeed, celebrate Kwanzaa, and they find it speaks to something deeper within them than even their identity as Christians (which is also part of who they are). I&#039;ve never heard any of them mention its founder or beliefs held by him, by the way. To them, it speaks to their membership in a community with a shared history, and shared ancestry in a place far away, from which they were removed unwillingly. Some have told me they celebrate it out of a desire to have something they have created as a community that is their own, and not thrust upon them by the dominant culture. It was not invented out of &quot;nothing&quot;, as you rudely suggest. It was created out of a shared and painful history, and a contemporary sense of alienation and disenfranchisement  from the mainstream, Caucasian-centric culture.
If you have a problem with that, you are certainly free to ignore it. But don&#039;t tell me or anyone else what we should and should not acknowledge. Who made you the arbiter of what is and is not real or legitimate? Congratulations on your lack of fear of sounding like a racist. You must be very proud. It&#039;s too bad I&#039;m so late in commenting, as I doubt you&#039;ll even see this.
Happy Kwanzaa to you anyway, Aurora.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to lift text directly from Wikipedia, maybe you can lift the entire context, in fairness.<br />
&#8220;During the early years of Kwanzaa, Karenga said that it was meant to be an alternative to Christmas, that Jesus was psychotic, and that Christianity was a white religion that black people should shun.[7] However, as Kwanzaa gained mainstream adherents, Karenga altered his position so that practicing Christians would not be alienated, then stating in the 1997 Kwanzaa: A Celebration of Family, Community, and Culture, &#8220;Kwanzaa was not created to give people an alternative to their own religion or religious holiday.&#8221;[8]<br />
Many Christian African Americans who celebrate Kwanzaa do so in addition to observing Christmas.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know a number of African Americans who *d0*, indeed, celebrate Kwanzaa, and they find it speaks to something deeper within them than even their identity as Christians (which is also part of who they are). I&#8217;ve never heard any of them mention its founder or beliefs held by him, by the way. To them, it speaks to their membership in a community with a shared history, and shared ancestry in a place far away, from which they were removed unwillingly. Some have told me they celebrate it out of a desire to have something they have created as a community that is their own, and not thrust upon them by the dominant culture. It was not invented out of &#8220;nothing&#8221;, as you rudely suggest. It was created out of a shared and painful history, and a contemporary sense of alienation and disenfranchisement  from the mainstream, Caucasian-centric culture.<br />
If you have a problem with that, you are certainly free to ignore it. But don&#8217;t tell me or anyone else what we should and should not acknowledge. Who made you the arbiter of what is and is not real or legitimate? Congratulations on your lack of fear of sounding like a racist. You must be very proud. It&#8217;s too bad I&#8217;m so late in commenting, as I doubt you&#8217;ll even see this.<br />
Happy Kwanzaa to you anyway, Aurora.</p>
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		<title>By: charita</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-17983</link>
		<dc:creator>charita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the true reason for the holiday, the fact that it is Christ&#039;s birthday has been forgotten and the holiday has become just a time for everyone else to receive, I always believed Jesus was the reason for the season. If he had not been born, then he would not have died for my sins. I think his birth is a substantial event that should not be taken lightly or forgotten. So I say , &quot;Happy birthday Jesus!&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the true reason for the holiday, the fact that it is Christ&#039;s birthday has been forgotten and the holiday has become just a time for everyone else to receive, I always believed Jesus was the reason for the season. If he had not been born, then he would not have died for my sins. I think his birth is a substantial event that should not be taken lightly or forgotten. So I say , &quot;Happy birthday Jesus!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Whatley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Whatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN!!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2009/12/27/the-death-of-merry-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-17966</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, John...no I didn&#039;t make up the holiday/holy day thing.  I read it somewhere...a bumper sticker?  Online?  I WISH I had made it up! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, John&#8230;no I didn&#039;t make up the holiday/holy day thing.  I read it somewhere&#8230;a bumper sticker?  Online?  I WISH I had made it up!</p>
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