Evangelicals and Muslims: Both Love Jesus

by John Shore on August 18, 2010 in Christian Issues · 308 comments

A good friend of mine is an expert on Christian-Muslim relations. A pastor with a Master’s degree in Islamic studies, Bob is currently earning his doctorate in the field. He writes important papers on the subject; he teaches classes and seminars on it; he’s forever flying to one ecumenical conference or another. He knows as much about Christian-Muslim relations as anyone in the world.

Today at lunch I asked him, “If you could say any one thing about Islam or Muslims to American Christians, or to Americans generally, what would it be?” As he started talking, I started taking notes. This is what he said:

“I would say that most Muslims are just as apathetic about their faith as most Christians are. The vast majority of Muslims are just like all those Christians who only come to church on Easter and Christmas—culturally religious, but not strictly or observantly so. They question the reality of God; they question the faith system they grew up in; they have times in their lives when they’re more or less religious. They appreciate the value of what their religion can bring to their lives, but aren’t necessarily inclined to make it the focus of their lives. Muslims know they’re supposed to kneel toward Mecca and pray five times a day, but most don’t do it. Just like most Christians don’t go to church every Sunday. Same thing.

“I would also say that just like most Christians don’t want anyone thinking that Christianity is well represented by the Aryan Nation, the KKK, Timothy McVeigh, abortion clinic bombers, or any violent group that adapts the mantle and symbols of Christianity, Muslims are absolutely appalled by the idea that anyone would actually believe that Muslim terrorists are representatives of Islam. They hate the terrorists as much as anyone does.

“I guess that’s the other main thing I would like to say: too few Americans understand what a warped, crazy view of Islam and Muslims we get from our media. I was recently in a conference session filled with working reporters and journalists. All of them had written human interest stories about typical, everyday American Muslims: people involved in outreach efforts, who were spearheading education initiatives, who ran non-profit organizations that benefited their communities. And not one of those writers could get those stories of theirs published. Their editors didn’t want them. No one did. They had given up trying to tell those stories.

“The business of the American ‘news’ business isn’t to deliver news at all. It’s to deliver the kind of emotionally inflammable  stimulus that gets and keeps people excited and riled up—and coming back for more. Enraged Muslims burning American presidents in effigy sells soap and cars—so that’s what we get on our televisions. Meanwhile, a billion Muslims around the world can’t understand why no one in America seems to understand how horrified they were by 9-11, too.

“I recently met with a sheikh here in San Diego. (Pronounced “shake,” a sheikh is a scholar and acknowledged Muslim community leader.) Someone asked him why he, in coordination with the Muslims in his community, wasn’t more outspoken in his condemnation of Muslim terrorists. He smiled wearily, and said, ‘We’ve condemned and condemned and condemned; we’re tired of condemning. We did it for years on end. No newspaper or television people attended our public pronouncements. No publications ran our press releases. No one covered our demonstrations for peace. No one listened. How long can you keep saying the same thing to no one?’

“Also,” continued Bob, “evangelical Christians and traditional practicing Muslims are like two peas in a pod. They have identical conservative values: anti-gay, pro-family, the sanctity of marriage, the father as the head of the family, being a good citizen, fostering community, living a disciplined life, showing hospitality. Conservative Christians have more in common with traditional Muslims than they do with any other group. They should see them as their strongest allies and partners. Instead, conservative Christians are the most critical of their Muslim counterparts!

“Which reminds me of one more thing. Most Christians have no idea how much Muslims love Jesus.”

“They do?” I said.

“Love him,” said Bob. “Muslims love, love, love Jesus.”

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Here’s a short cartoon I made entitled Christian vs. Non-Christian: Who Gets Into Heaven?:

Related post: A Primer On Islam: The Basics

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bobby digital December 25, 2011 at 12:51 pm

Marie you are absolutely right, I reverted to Islam and Jesus did not die as stated in the perfect flawless Qur’an, i highly recommend everyone read it all in English to see whats realy in that book. Or check out Dr. Gary Miller, he is a mathematician and he tried to convert Muslims to Christianity.. he found the bible flawed and then figured the Qur’an was the same way.. check out his videos on you tube about the Quran its called THE AMAZING QURAN

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alp September 30, 2011 at 1:26 pm

I am glad to see this blog and amaze the discussion. Do you know this discussion already mention in Qur’an? At least the conceptually. Actually that’s the beauty of may be all holly books that we can find answers for our today life questions. I won’t be writing the whole section but if you have time please read Quran from 2:135 to 2:140. The example is about the discussion between Jews and Christians but in a nutshell it’s the same idea about whose religion is the highest. God’s answer is pretty divine as always.

“AND THEY say, “Be Jews” – or, “Christians” – “and you shall be on the right path.” Say: “Nay, but [ours is] the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, (110) and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God.” …
“Say [to the Jews and the Christians]: “Do you argue with us about God? (113) But He is our Sustainer as well as your Sustainer – and unto us shall be accounted our deeds, and unto you, your deeds; and it- is unto Him alone that we devote ourselves. ”
“Do you claim that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants were `Jews’ or `Christians’?” (114) Say: “Do you know more than God does? And who could be more wicked than he who suppresses a testimony given to him by God? (115) Yet God is not unmindful of what you do. “

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Mitch September 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm

As a Christian i read the Quran, and all i see is the same story different version. I dont see how we are supposed to disagree. Christians argue with each other about god and man, but why not put down these differences and leave it all behind. Islam (i think) means “submission” it is a central theme of christianity. Why dont we just accept that we dont know who is god and who is man and continue living as best we can for both?

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Ammena August 11, 2011 at 9:30 pm

I wonder if anyone wonders about the Lords prayer.. that Jesus himself used.. ‘hallowed by your name, your kingdom come, your will be done’ when Jesus himself is seen as God.. he never once said that or asked the people to worship him, infact he made it quite clear that they should be worshipping the one God, the God of Jesus, Moses, Abaraham, Noah, Adam and all the other prophets

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Mitch September 15, 2011 at 9:08 pm

to be fair Jesus does claim to be god. but someone without an understanding of hebrew would miss it. when jesus answers the Sanhedrin “I am” the hebrew he used was actually the name of God “I AM WHAT I AM” claiming he is god or the I AM. This is why the priests beat and spit on him. Personally i find god to be in everyone and everything, but felt like explaining this further.

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Kristina October 10, 2011 at 10:34 am

He claims to be god in some of the gospels, but not all of them have as high of a Christology as John. Luke literally never mentions his divinity and Matthew was more concerned with proving he was the ultimate Jew.

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Carson Troutman December 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm

• “Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” The word Lord here is Yhwh, which is used to describe God the Father, and here Paul is using it to desribe Jesus. They are both YHWH. There are countless examples of this in the Bible.

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Mark August 11, 2011 at 12:38 am

Sorry John, not buying all your thought or that of friend(nor care how many degrees he may have). Have studied Islam for over 40 years, it’s history and it’s teachings and the example of it’s founder. Muhammad IMHO was not a person of good will and he lived life by the sword of murder and force. Jesus lived by a sword of simple human truth, tolerance and charity towards all, including his enemies even unto his own sacrificial (as a friend lays down his/her life) death. One is a path of peace and gentle persuasion and the other a path of violent aggression and sublimation. Look to the historical record, compare the two very, very different human beings and talk to and get to know some real ex-Muslims( atheist, agnostic or now other religious, it makes no difference ). They will tell you about real life Islam and it’s portent for a common humanity yearning to breathe free, rejoicing in individuality and each striving to follow her/his own innate conscience. Islam as practiced by it’s founder is not compatible with a free world where universal human rights are granted to and protected for all. Also know that the founder of Islam is a perfect example of a human being of his very own times. His beliefs about Judism and Christianity are textbook examples taken right from his own day and culture as is the entirety of his purely human book we all know as the Koran. All IMHO.

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AndresZules August 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm

Hi. Sorry to disagree with you, but I don´t think that Jesus was exactly a Good reasonable tolerant person. Neither the Bible is a Book of only peace, love and tolerance. Read Mathew 10 34-38. There He says that you should be against your own family if they don´t have the same faith that you do. Kill´em if its necessary. Of course, Muhammed was not a tolerant at all. But neither Jesus (IMHO). The main difference, I think, is that Muhammed claimed war against non-belivers and Jesus was a bit more dissembled. Sorry if you feel umcomfortable and/or if my English is not perfect. Answer me back if you want to. Good luck.

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TaoistSage August 10, 2011 at 11:14 pm

I believe that Christians and Muslims lose the entire point of the Bible & Koran when they disconnect them from the earlier religions. It is obvious that religions have progressed from one another. The story of the Flood occurs in hundreds of different cultures, and each story has strikingly similar elements. Other stories in the Old & New Testaments, as well as the Koran, have their roots in previous religions. Since it is obvious that these stories are metaphors, to take them literally is foolish. i.e. to say that Jesus was the only incarnation of the son of God is a gross misunderstanding of what “son of God” meant to the writers of the Bible. You just don’t understand that unless you know what the Babylonians believed, which is obviously the root for much of the Hebrew version. And you don’t understand the Old Testament if you don’t understand Qabbalah. These ideas evolved over time, and blended together. You get the whole picture when you read them all in context to one another.

Also, I might suggest that interested and curious Christians should read Isis Unveiled by Helena Blavatsky. I know, I know, she’s got a bad rap – but I assure you her opinions are worth the read, and she is far more well versed in the religions of the time than your preacher/priest/rabbi/whatever. Blavatsky makes a very good point that Jesus was teaching what sounds like Buddhism, but translated into his native language. When you just listen to the morals, there isn’t much difference between Buddhism, Islam and Christianity – and I believe that the morals are more important than the literal aspects anyways.

I personally embrace the mystical core of religions, which is the same for all. “Walk the middle path,” appears in every religion from Taoism on through Christianity – “Be thee niether hot nor cold, but luke warm.” The key component of all these religions was BALANCE – learning to balance the cycles of nature, and learning to balance the emotions, and through this balance leading a life of virtue. Read every religion, but practice what sings to your heart.

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Mitch September 15, 2011 at 9:10 pm

you should read “barlaam and iosaph” it IS christian buddhism. also that lukewarm comment was meant to be disdainful if i remember correctly from revelations, the church was repulsive because of its neutrality, though i agree with your main point

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Ray McKinnon August 10, 2011 at 9:37 pm

Dude! I am SO happy that I found this. You are the man. Thank you for your voice and your perspective. Love you man!

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daniel June 27, 2011 at 6:41 pm

Please. DROP religion of all kinds. It’s man made stories. Religion has killed hundreds of millions of people over the last 10000 years. Murder. Burning. Drownings. Beheading. Slaughter of children. Tortures of all sorts. All in the name of religion. Yes, YOURS too. Religion is a farce. A story. A LIE.
And yet millions still want to “believe” SOMETHING. There is nothing. You die, and that’s IT. Period.

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John Shore June 27, 2011 at 7:35 pm

And that’s what you believe.

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Jack July 23, 2011 at 8:34 pm

You’re wrong, John.

Christians love Jesus and believe He truly died and rose from the dead.

But mahometans merely love an entity they CALL Jesus who never rose from the dead because he never died.

Not the same one at all.

Only ONE can believe in the real Jesus.

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John Shore July 23, 2011 at 11:25 pm

A: I’m not wrong; these aren’t my words.

B: “mahometans”? Really?

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Ray McKinnon August 10, 2011 at 9:32 pm

John, I love you so much for that response!

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Mitch September 15, 2011 at 9:21 pm

they do believe he rose from the dead, read the quran…

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Marie October 3, 2011 at 6:37 am

I expect Jack and I would have different emotional attitudes towards Islam, but I do have to say he’s factually correct about what Islam teaches about Jesus – if you think the Qur’an teaches a resurrection, you should probably look through it again, or talk to an imam. According to the Qur’an, Jesus didn’t die at the crucifixion, so he didn’t rise from the dead. He was taken into heaven by God before he could be crucified, because God would never allow that kind of pain and humiliation for such a faithful servant as Jesus.

Here’s a verse about what the Qur’an teaches about the crucifixion:

‘That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-’
—Qur’an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158[1]

In other words, the people who thought they crucified Jesus were wrong – God had just made it look to them like they had crucified Jesus. In fact, God had taken Jesus up to heaven so that he would escape crucifixion. Anyone who claims that Jesus was killed doesn’t know anything about it, and is just guessing (‘has no knowledge, but only conjecture’).

Since the Qur’an teaches that Jesus didn’t die in the crucifixion, it does not teach a resurrection. I have several Muslim friends who all maintain that the belief that Jesus was killed, especially at the crucifixion, is blasphemy, because it degrades God’s character by implying he would allow something so painful and shameful as dying slowly and publicly as a criminal for one of his prophets.

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Matthew Tweedell June 28, 2011 at 11:43 am

I believe you, daniel—except one thing, if you’ll forgive my lack faith: I don’t think it’s a lie if you don’t know it’s not true.

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Kyle R. June 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm

AN YOU DIDN”T POST WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THAT!?!?!? WHY NOT!

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John Shore June 3, 2011 at 12:48 pm

Am I (or anyone else) supposed to know what you’re screaming about?

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DR June 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Complete sentences tend to work well on the internet.

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Ray McKinnon August 10, 2011 at 9:34 pm

Dude. What are you talking–err, screaming–about?

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Pam January 29, 2011 at 10:03 pm

Mathew 12:30

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Jason Hurt August 10, 2011 at 10:05 pm

Mathew, 12:30, I’m not going to say it again, GO TO BED, NOW.

(Maybe write the verse out, because no one just looked it up)

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Jazmine December 10, 2010 at 11:44 pm

The Jesus in the Koran is very different than the Jesus of history and New Testament.

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Jen January 14, 2011 at 12:14 pm

Jazmine, if by “different” you refer to the obvious–that in Islam, God does not have a son–then yes, obviously they are very different. But if you’re referring to Jesus as a man–a holy man favored by God–, then you’re wrong. My family is mixed Christian and Muslim, and we read both the Bible and the Koran in our home.

In the Koran, Jesus was born of the virgin Mary by immaculate conception. He spoke and prophesied while still in the cradle. God taught Jesus the law and the judgment, the Torah and the Gospel, and Jesus in turn taught these to those around him. He formed the state of his people’s destiny. He raised the dead, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

Jesus is called the Christ and the Messiah in the Koran, and his disciples are called his disciples and apostles. He said to the disciples, “who will help me in the way of God?” and they followed him. In the Koran, Jesus confirmed the truth of the Torah, and made lawful things which had been unlawful.

In the Koran, when Jesus was crucified, God raised him up to keep Jesus near to Himself. In the Koran, Jesus will return among us to establish God’s kingdom on earth at the day of judgment, and every Jew, Christian, and Muslim will believe in Jesus.

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moe January 26, 2011 at 3:51 am

wht ur saying is so true

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Damon January 26, 2011 at 6:28 am

I’ll agree to some (very few) of your similarities, but similarities don’t make the arguement. The entire basis of the Christian faith is that Jesus is God’s son and therefore God himself. If you refute that, you refute the whole of Christianity.

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Dan January 27, 2011 at 11:37 pm

Damon, we must be careful when talking about the “basis” for christian faith. While the divinity of Jesus is the basis for trinitarism and trinity belief systems which are most common in christianity, there is still others, including Jehovah’s Witnesses that do not believe Jesus was God incarnate. There is biblical support for both the divinity and non-divinity of Jesus, people just need to take a critical eye to the text.

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JM January 29, 2011 at 8:08 pm

I would say the heart of the Gospel proclamation is “Jesus was crucified, died, and was Resurrected by God and is now the exalted Lord of all.” This is the heart of the New Testament and the thread that runs through every book in it.

Of course this is doubly incompatible with traditional Islam because according to the Qur’an, Isa did NOT die on the cross and Isa is a Prophet, but not the exalted Lord who sits at the right hand of God the Father.

So while Christians and Muslims can (and should!) live respectfully and peacefully alongside one another, their core theological differences cannot (and should not!) be overlooked by faithful adherents of either faith.

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Don Hildenbrand August 10, 2011 at 9:33 pm

The “entire basis” for Christianity is that Jesus died for our sins and rose again. The Deity of Jesus is just a doctrine. The Bible doesn’t say to confess that “God came in the flesh”. It says to confess that Jesus came in the flesh. When that was stated, it was to combat the “heresy” that Jesus did not have a physical body. If it was so important to say that He was divinity in the flesh, the writer would have taken that opportunity to make it clear. He didn’t.
Frankly, when you say “the entire basis” for Christianity is the divinity of Jesus, you suggest that there’s an added layer to salvation other than faith in Jesus. THAT would be refuting the whole of Christianity.

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omar February 27, 2011 at 12:00 pm

Muslims do believe that Isa (Jesus) will return among us to and spread the true and pure faith which is Islam. The name of the true faith since from Prophet Adam has been Islam. This is a matter of progress, the true faith has been improving and as the last prophet, Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) brought us the most perfect form of it. When Isa returns among us he will spread the same message brought by Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh). Muslims believes in Isa as a prophet of Allah, just as they believe in all other prophets sent by Allah. Muslims love and respect all of the prophets of Allah. Muslims believe that the messages of all prophets are from the same divine origin, from Allah, who is the only God. There is no god but Allah.

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Joe May 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm

Thank you very much for this comparison. I never knew just how similar the two are! I will spread the good news that we are one of the same!

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Marie December 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm

This was incredible to read. Bravo!! I will be sharing!!! Thank you. Namaste!! ♥

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Anonymous December 2, 2010 at 1:07 am

Thank you for sharing!

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Nx-123456789 October 24, 2010 at 6:30 pm

i’ve just stumbled across this blog and the ending of this post made me so happy as a muslim. :)

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Matt September 17, 2010 at 4:48 pm

You think they are peaceful? Burn a Koran and see what happens and then burn a Bible and see what happens.

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Anon January 27, 2011 at 12:11 am

Of course, because all Muslims are violent. Just like how all Christians are ignorant.
Read a book :P

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Ammena August 11, 2011 at 9:27 pm

I think you mean… get a muslim to burn a Bible.. Im sure then you would get a similar reaction to those violent ‘muslims’ you mention

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yunus September 1, 2010 at 8:23 am

god blessthe good

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Mike August 22, 2010 at 12:33 am

Jesus is quoted 27 times in the Qur'an, which is more than any other prophet. This is also more than any other Holy Book (besides, of course, the Bible). Jesus is held in higher esteem by the Islamic world than Moses is in Christianity.

And to the people that were discussing the Holy Trinity – Yes, it is considered to be 3 manifestations of the same entity, but no, Christianity has not thought this from the beginning. This idea did not gain popularity until the end of the 3rd century, when the proto-orthodox Christians began to gain power (thanks to the fact that they were the dominant force in Christianity in the city of Rome). The Gnostics, Essenes, and numerous other groups fought over this exact idea for almost 3 centuries before the discussion was "settled."

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Pam January 29, 2011 at 9:47 pm

The amount of times Jesus is quoted in the Qur’an is irrelevant… if you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God, then you aren’t holding him high enough!

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Anon July 8, 2011 at 5:12 pm

You’re kidding me right Pam? That is so offensive. I believe in Jesus. But I see no need to say ignorant things like that.

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Brian W July 21, 2011 at 10:31 am

Anon,

To the Christian Jesus is God. As to the Trinity, it is not some heresy started by some extreme sect of Christianity, it is a foundational truth of Scripture, first mentioned in Genesis “Let US make man in OUR image” (US and OUR are Hebrew plural words, in Hebrew there is singular, dual and plural – 3 or more). The Trinitarian Godhead is all through the Bible.

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Don Hildenbrand August 10, 2011 at 9:36 pm

Possibly. But any competent scholar also admits the possibility that the “Us” and “our” are simply examples of the “royal we”. Claiming the Trinity in that verse is simply reading into it what we already believe. That doesn’t “make it so”.

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RS August 21, 2010 at 10:30 pm

Muslims may believe in Jesus (Isa) as a prophet of God but not in the same way as Christ followers. The Quran teaches that Allah did not have any son's yet Isa claimed to be the Son of the Living God. So to believe in Isa does not necessarily mean you follow Him as LORD and Savior. Any Muslim friends out there want to explain why Allah didn’t have any offspring but the Quran shows he had three daughters? “Have you then considered the lat and the Uzza, And Manat, the third, the last? (These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for. –(verse deleted from Qur’an (considered being satanically inspired))) SURAH LIII 19”

Also have any of my Muslim friends out there ever considered that Isa is still alive sitting at the right hand of the Father and Mohammad is just a dead prophet?

Isa died for you so that you may live in the presence of a Holy God, for God Himself had to come down and pay the ULTIMATE price by suffering the CROSS for OUR SINS. Only a PURE, HOLY, and UNBLEMISHED SACRIFICE can be offered for SIN. Only God Himself could be that SACRIFICE.

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am January 27, 2011 at 6:53 am

Lat, Uzza and Manat, they were fought by quran. The first thing Mohammad has done after conquest of Mecca was breaking them. How the Quran can call them the daughter of God? How do you know the verses are deleted from quran?

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om February 27, 2011 at 11:39 am

can be a bit reasonable please? i don’t its fair to talk about a religion in this way and without even giving a reference!

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Taimoor June 14, 2011 at 11:19 am

If you even start thinking with common sense, you will realize that God, an immortal being, can never be sacrificed. He’s IMMORTAL.

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Brian W July 21, 2011 at 10:24 am

This is an interesting topic, but Jesus (Isa) in His humanity (not His Divinity) paid the ultimate sacrafice for His people. Jesus (Isa) tof the Muslim is not God incarnate, Jesus (Isa) is GOD. He claimed He and the Father are one . HE is the way the truth and the life. God is one, absolutely but God manifests Himself to us in the Godhead – God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit, co-equal yet one. The Trinitarian Godhead is a great mystery indeed, but Jesus – God in the flesh, is not the same Jesus to the Muslim, Jesus is but a prophet. I do find that most odd, since he committed blasphemy by claiming he came down from heaven AND that He is GOD (the hypostatic union of Christ’s humanity and divinity, all God and all man)

Muslims may “love” Jesus, but to to them He is NOT God, as Jesus is to the Christian

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