Secretly Gay-Affirming Pastors: You Are Not Alone

by John Shore on September 5, 2011 in Dear John · 100 comments

Yesterday I received this email (which I use here by permission):

Dear John,

Hi. My name is [deleted]. I am nearly 48-years-old, and am married with two grown children. I am also a Methodist minister in Belfast, Northern Ireland. I have come to believe that I live in a black hole which is unknown to other Christians.

We here in Northern Ireland are usually about ten years behind the U.S. in dealing with issues—well, we are actually about 500 years behind the rest of the world. (If you think the Bible Belt in America is ground zero for fundamentalist Christianity, you should grow up here. We’ve been killing each other for centuries over points of doctrine. We’re still fighting the battles of the Reformation!) So the whole homosexual argument in the church is only getting started here. But believe me, we are a hang-them-high lot in this corner of the world.

Just recently a young woman who was just a teenager at my last church, and who liked to hang around with me, has come out as being gay and is in a relationship with another woman. Her mother (a Christian) has thrown her out and has nothing to do with her, and the church just doesn’t want to know her. Yet all she has done is love another human being.

I directed her to your website. At least now she knows that she is still loved by God. So thank you for shining some much needed light into a country that seems to enjoy walking in darkness.

I have tried reaching out through the Internet to Christians who think and feel as I do. You have no idea how many emails I have sent to people online who offered me a different Christianity to the hate-filled Christianity I have grown up with. But none of them has ever answered me back. Not one.

I read your blog, and it reminds me of the Jesus I fell in love with. But here I am—a woman who agrees with everything you say, and loves the Jesus that you talk about. But I know that if I was to stand up on Sunday morning, and say what I truly believe, there is not one single congregation in the whole of Ireland who would accept what I say.

What do I do, John? I have two daughters at university. I have so many debts because of years of being paid such meager wages. How cowardly am I in comparison to the early martyrs and even you? I despair of myself. I truly despise everything my church wants me to love.

I’m sending this with zero expectations of a reply. I’m just so tired of pretending. And what you say is so true. I feel so alone. That’s how I feel.

 

In my reply to her I shared how later that very day I had an appointment with the pastor of a thriving, medium-sized church who had asked to see me because he has come to doubt the correctness of the traditional Christian view of homosexuality. He did not feel free to share those doubts with his congregation; he knew there would be an uproar if he did. So he was seeing me about this matter on (as it were) the down-low.

In response to learning of my upcoming visit, my new Irish friend wrote, “I know I should feel for that pastor’s pain. And I do! But my overwhelming reaction is one of utter relief. Thank God I’m not the only coward in Christendom!!!!!”

I don’t think either the kind woman who wrote the letter above, or the thoughtful church pastor with whom I met, is a coward. Being a pastor is, after all, a job, and part of that job entails not alienating the very people who look to you for spiritual guidance. If our Irish pastor was to preach her true feelings on homosexuality, she’d summarily become unemployed. Her two girls would have to drop out of college. Her whole life would fall apart. And she would lose the power she now possesses to bring about the kind of change she desires.

Better she should continue in office, do her congregants the kind of good she certainly does, and trust that, when the time comes, she will be able to engage members of her church on the gay issue in ways that are natural, productive and healthy. She should of course keep a vigilant watch for such opportunities, and do all she can to create them herself. Her church isn’t that backwards: if it was, she wouldn’t be a minister there at all.

And it seems to me a safe bet that if she feels the way she does about homosexuality, so do others in her church. I think she might be surprised at how far she can push the gay envelope without it tearing. She is, after all, the leader of her church. People listen to her. She is certainly free to raise for discussion in her church the question of the proper relationship between Christianity and homosexuality, if for no other reason than that all the rest of Christendom is now discussing that very topic. Why shouldn’t her church too?

And then through the ensuing discussions she can at the very least show people that she personally is sensitive to the nuances of the issue, that she’s troubled by the harm being done gay and lesbian people by those who seem incapable of showing for them anything but disdain, that she wants to consider this matter prayerfully, compassionately, and honestly. No one will fault her for that. She’s a pastor. That’s what pastors are expected to do.

She can move the rudder of the ship of her church an imperceptible shade. That’s all it takes for a traveling ship to change its course.

What she certainly must do is show her young lesbian friend absolute love and acceptance. That’s a personal matter, not subject to the judgment and opinions of others. She must communicate to this hurting young woman, in no uncertain terms, that anyone—her mother included—who responds to her brave revelation by shunning her in the name of the Lord has simply and severely misconstrued the truth and purpose of Christ’s message. She mustn’t fail to let this young woman know that while some people might disapprove of who and how she is, God does not. If she feels the girl is mature enough to handle it, she should confide in her about her own struggles in getting her church to move toward a fuller understanding of Christs’ love. Why not extend this trust? The girl is unlikely to betray her confidence; the pastor will have instantly engendered in her too much loyalty for that. The girl will know that the pastor has, perhaps literally, saved her life. The pastor will become this young woman’s hero, forever.

If you are a faith leader who is no longer comfortable preaching or pretending to support the traditional Christian view of homosexuality, the first thing you should know is that you are most certainly not alone. Christianity really is in the middle of a second Reformation. And just like it did the first time around, that means that an awful lot of people, at every level among the practicing faithful, are right now harboring a great many thoughts and doubts which they don’t yet feel comfortable sharing with their brethren. But that is changing.

As I said to the doubting pastor with whom I met, “It’s like hearing a train whistle off in the distance. And then you hear it again, and it’s louder. And the next time you hear it, it’s even louder. Well, you don’t have to wonder whether or not a train is coming your way. It is.” In what history will remember as an astoundingly short period of time from now (go, Internet, go!), the vast majority of Christians will believe that being gay is no more a sin than is being red-headed or left-handed. That train is coming; nothing can stop it.

Some people are going to get hit by this train. Some are going to watch in dumb wonderment as it roars by them. Some, moronically, will try to stop it by hurling Bibles at it.

Most, as it approaches, will hear the great conductor Jesus calling to them.

“All aboard!”


 

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Diane D'Angelo via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Until you acknowledge that it is fear that holds you back, you have no chance of moving forward.

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Diane D'Angelo via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 5:46 pm

It’s fear, pure and simple.

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Diane D'Angelo via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Not true. They can start another church or do outreach. Goes back to my question above: how much faith does someone have if they don’t believe God wil open the door?

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Lorelei Hillman via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 5:35 pm

I think sometimes there is a reason – if the pastor makes their understanding public and loses their job, they won’t have access to the people who need them.

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Diane D'Angelo via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 5:15 pm

No reason they can’t do both.

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Lorelei Hillman via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 5:11 pm

Diane, it may be that for this moment, the private support and encouragement they offer to people who are not safe coming out in that community is more important.

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Jo Hilder via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 4:43 pm

Why are they secretly gay-affirming? Why not openly?

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Roy Humphrey via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm

The real issue is the silence of the bishops.

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Diane D'Angelo via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 4:25 pm

If these pastors do not believe that God will stand by them for openly supporting GLBT persons, exactly how much faith do they have?

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Diane D'Angelo July 21, 2012 at 4:19 pm

Of course, she is being a coward. We are all cowards at times in our lives. That is the time spirit calls on you to act. Start the dialogue with your church. If you get fired, start your own church or leave the profession, but the bottom line is this: you will have saved lives through your example of true Christianity.

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Alvin Góngora via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 4:14 pm

Gay affirming pastors and people if are so secretly, they should also come out their closets, and mostly so if we’re heterosexual. I’m truly convinced that homofobia is a hatred that must be confronted with the same conviction and force we use at combating racism,xenophobia, mysoginy. We in the heterosexual camp must opnenly fight this battle. But, as John points it out on his blog there are ways to do that without alienating a whole congregation. but sooner or later the toes of those in power must be stepped on. The pastors John refer to are doing that: just be affirming individuals and looking for guidance they’re coming out of their respective closets.

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Lorelei Hillman via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm

At one and the same time, I have all compassion for these pastors. Thank God they are available for the people in their congregations, to give grace and welcome in their own hidden way for the people who come out to them. People come out to pastors all the time – and they need to be received with love. Yet, I am also thankful that I have had examples in my own ministry of truly courageous pastors who simply said, “Here I stand; I can do no other.” The public witness of pastors who are willing and able to speak out – that GLBTQ persons are beloved of God, not condemned, not ‘abominations’ but chosen and sent in ministry and blessed in love – is essential in the struggle to overcome bigotry and fear. No judgment on my part, for if these pastors feel it is unsafe to “come out” as gay-affirming, then it will not be safe for their parishioners to come out as gay.

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Pat Hux via Facebook July 21, 2012 at 3:33 pm

a godly response if ever I saw one…… ;)

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Heidi December 31, 2011 at 5:19 pm

We had a pastor once (he has since been moved to another church) who, on his first day as pastor, made no bones about his stand. In his very first sermon he said, “And ALL are welcome here, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation.” This was some years ago and you could hear the buzzing in the congregation. But he stood tough on this position. I, for one, was thrilled to have a pastor who truly believed in the teachings of Christ. Unfortunately, the pastor who later replaced him was as strict a reactionary as I have not seen in years. The congregation of the church dropped by at least one-third in the first year. Sad.

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Dan December 31, 2011 at 3:32 pm

Wow! Thank-you. There are several painful issues that make me want to leave the leadership of my church. This is the biggest (next to the equality of woman). But they are my family. I love them. They would reject me if they knew the extent of my feelings, but their rejection would not stop me from loving them. I am not worthy to be compaired to Jesus, but he was rejected and still loved us. He was subversive with his love. And he spoke up when the time was right. It pains me to hold my tongue at times. However, they are slowly seeing that I won’t stand for hatred or abuse, and I won’t stop loving them… I hope.

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Kim September 13, 2011 at 2:18 pm

It’s great to find more Christians who believe as I do. I love to see all the links to websites, etc. that affirm our belief that Jesus loved and died for ALL people. I would like to add my blog to the mix. I don’t write exclusively about LGBT issues in the church, but on more of a broader scope of inclusiveness. Here is a link to the specific posts I have written about homosexuality, but feel free to explore my other posts too.
http://cleanaturalady.blogspot.com/search/label/homosexuality

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Jason Bachand September 7, 2011 at 11:00 pm

Your compassion and honesty are commendable. Once again we agree on the social justice aspects of things even if we’re worlds apart on faith.

Now, blog about the “Silent Majority” of atheist pastors – go on, I dare you. :)

http://news.fmota.com/united_states/the-unbelievers-what-happens-when-a-minister-decided-theres-no-god.html

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Kris J September 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm

As a pastor of a small town church and mother of a gay young man, and step mom of a lesbian bonus daughter I find myself squarely in the middle of this discussion. I want to open ALL the doors for them RIGHT NOW and personally have no patience for those who are unwilling to open their minds and hearts to all of Gods children. But as a pastor, I must meet my congregants where they are if I hope to lead them to understanding. It can be a very slow frustrating process and I never feel I’m moving fast enough. Also, I live in a state in the US which will have a proposed amendment added to our 2012 election ballot which asks if we should amend our state constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. So I feel I have little choice, I must add my voice to the debate for my son, my stepdaughter and all those who are continually being pushed to the margins in spite of Jesus gospel of total inclusion. I am not sure how this will play out in the next year, but I know I can’t remain as I am. I feel deeply for this woman who loves her work, her church and her children and in some ways now has to choose. It is hell to live with. And yet I know that what my son and daughter and all the lgbt sons and daughters go through and have gone through is more than any of us who are merely allies can imagine. We can choose to be a part of this or not. This is their life. This is their walk. I have met so many incredible people who have been a part of this struggle for many years and my life has been blessed by their presence. I am honored when they allow me to walk with them and share their journey.

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Chris September 7, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Hi John, This is my first visit to your site and I know already I’ll become a frequent visitor. My heart breaks for the Irish Pastor. It may be small consolation, but the very fact that you FEEL this way (wanting so strongly to do something) is in the eyes of this gay man, enough. I would hope that the girl who you strive so hard to help would understand that too. Were I her, and it’s easier said than done, I wouldn’t wish my pastor to put himself/herself in harms way for me. Knowing I have an ally I can come to would be enough. Northern Ireland may be slow in change, but, on the bright side, there is change. Be a catalyst to that change by, as John said, doing the same work you do, but being the touchstone that so many kids like the girl need, but feel they do not have. You may not be able to change the masses, but you can help those in need :)
I hope on one of my future trips to Ireland God sees fit to have our paths cross whether we know it or not.
Chris

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Connie September 7, 2011 at 10:00 am

Thank you John for being who you are and doing what you do. I am a Gay Christian and although I attend a fairly welcoming chuch it is hard sometimes to keep peace with my soul and be as loving and forgiving as I know Christ would have me do. You and others like you have helped me to more peacefully unite those two parts of me. I know of other Gay Christians that are very fearfull of being out in thier private lives and at especially at church, one couple is employed by the church. It really sours you to “Christianity” when there is so very much hatred and violence against the Gay people, especially kids. I can’t figure out how someone can call themselves a Christian and not understand Christ’s message of love. Jesus didn’t love conditionally. Why don’t they get that simple thing?

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Vickie September 7, 2011 at 7:55 am

Come visit us at the Gay Christian Network – an organization for GLBT Christians, their friends and families, and our allies/supporters:

http://www.gaychristian.net/index.php?

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Anon September 7, 2011 at 7:34 am

You have no idea how much I needed to read those words today. I am just beginning to volunteer with our (homophobic) church’s youth. I am firmly in the ally camp, but my church leadership does not know that. I have been feeling like a real coward, not coming clean about where I stand. I have been afraid that I am letting my gay brothers and sisters down for not taking a firm, direct stand. But your words to the Irish minister about it being okay to take it slowly and not lose her job resonated with me. If my church leadership knew how I feel, I would not be allowed to work with the teens. They believe that people who accept the “gay lifestyle” are guilty of “leading the sheep astray” (read: possibly sending them to Hell?). By being more cautious in my approach, I now have the chance to create safe space for teens who are coming out, without facing a witch trial by the leadership. It means reaching more kids over more time. One day, I hope that this will no longer be something we have to hide from other Christians. Until then, I will quietly subvert the oppressive system under which we now live.

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Randall Ross September 6, 2011 at 7:18 pm

I love this article especially the train is coming analogy! The train has left the station and is coming and there is nothing that can stop progress! Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, he just spoke about the importance of love and acceptance and I’m definitely sure that if he were alive today, he’d love to go to some gay wedding to celebrate the love two people share! Most of the Bible should be taken in the context of the times it was written and people should focus of the overall philosophy of trying to do good in the world and loving and sharing and stop all of the judgement and intolerance over the difference of religion. It’s ridiculous. God didn’t write the Bible, ancient tribal people did and many of the things in it simply don’t apply to the modern world. It’s ok to eat shrimp and wear clothes made from two different fabrics and we no longer sell our daughters into slavery either. If you want to see a fantastic documentary from Biblical scholars about what the Bible really says about homosexuality, see “For the Bible Tells Me So.”

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Carol VanderNat July 21, 2012 at 4:02 pm

I agree….that documentary is really phenomenal in the way that it deals with the Bible, religious interpretation and homosexuality….

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Bob Fernandez via Facebook September 6, 2011 at 6:39 pm

Thank you for yet another excellent story. I also followed the link to Jim Swilley’s response. That, too, was excellent. I have forwarded it to family members in hopes that it would warm their hearts.

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Anthony Venn-Brown September 6, 2011 at 4:47 pm

Read your article John……all aboard. Wonderful piece…and so true. You may be encouraged to know that here in Australia we are moving closer to the day…and the sound of the train is getting louder. In 2008 100 evangelical ministers signed an apology to the LGBT community for the way the church had treated them and marched in the Pride (Sydney Mardi Gras ) parade. http://gayambassador.blogspot.com/2008/02/crack-in-wall.html .Also in what I believe is a world first in 2009 a mega church pentecostal pastor has welcomed LGBT people into his church….totally accepted and affirmed. You can listen to the ground breaking sermon here http://www.freedom2b.org/node/1413

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Sinnerviewer September 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm

Dear Pastor, speak the truth in love. There are so many people in this world lost and dying without Christ and they will never know about Him because they won’t go to churches that have spurned them. When you speak the truth in love and step out in faith, God will bless you by sending you new people to minister to. I interviewed the pastor of a mega-chruch in Atlanta just as he announced from the pulpit that he was gay. He has an entirely new and thriving ministry now. Please read it and be encouraged:

http://thegavoice.com/index.php/aae/38-feature/1507-swilleys-story-a-gay-pastor-his-wife-and-a-deeper-ministry

New Ministry:
http://thegavoice.com/index.php/news/atlanta-news/2783-bishop-jim-swilley-begins-church-of-the-now-midtown

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Robert September 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm

This post has generated… very mixed emotions… in me.

First, the amount of love and tenderness, caring and compassion displayed through out this blog and the responses is heart warming. I fully appreciate the love generated… because it means to me that humanity is growing… becoming more human.

As a gay person, I have often thought that people missed the point regarding homophobia (and racism, sexism, etc). Most people assume that by being homophobic, they are defining and demeaning me. But the reverse is true; they are defining themselves as hate-filled people. It took me along time to shed the hate that others piled on my back… and it will likely take alot longer for them to rid it from their hearts.

The second emotion related to this blog is…???? I don’t know. I sense the fear… the fear of loosing ones place in the world, the fear of economic disadvantage, the fear of rocking the boat, the fear of being ostracized, the fear of being hated. I have gone through this level of fear in my life, repeatedly, every time I come out as a gay person.

The thing about coming out is that it is not a one time event. It is a continual process. The first time I came out was based on timing. I waited until the last semester of my senior year in college. I waited until my parents no longer had any control of me. The next few years were based on my assessing my environment. But I was never actually sure about the outcome. Each time I came out… I was fire walking… taking a step into the unknown.

In the end, the coming out process has made me stronger. It forced me to become courageous. Not because I am filled with courage but because I practiced taking courageous actions. I also learnt that whatever price I would pay for living a life of integrity and honesty was worth it… it was better than living a life based on fear. A life lived in fear is a life not lived.

Good luck on your journey… there is love at the end of it… and people may surprise you… they did and still do surprise me.

:)

Robert

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Erin D. September 7, 2011 at 6:13 am

That is pretty profound and not something I have thought about before….the idea that you don’t “come out” once, but many times, with many possible different outcomes. Thank you for giving me better insight (and a better appreciation for the brave men and women who do choose to live their lives openly.)

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Carol VanderNat July 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm

I am just beginning the process of coming out, and I appreciate that you put that so eloquently…every time is another risk and another fear. Sometimes there is great relief in doing so, and sometimes, I too grieve to see the hardened hearts and deafened ears of some whom I love very much, and will continue to love. But for me, the “double” life…public witness, and private knowledge…could not be kept separate anymore. People on this blog were so kind and encouraging when I protested against the UMC’s stance on homosexuality. I could no longer say, “I support you, but I can’t BE one of you, ’cause my life might suck..”
Right now it kinda does, but it’s an honest life, with one whole person instead of two. Each person must decide for him/herself what is the right course to take and at what speed…
HOWEVER… I too hear that train a’comin’! and it’s a sweet sound indeed!

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Maria Tafoya September 6, 2011 at 2:01 pm

My heart breaks for the Irish pastor who wrote that letter to you. You may give her my address – I will surely get back to her to affirm her belief that love is good. I am blessed to be the pastor of an open and affirming congregation, and I have many friends who don’t agree. Our friendships persist despite the differences our religious and spiritual beliefs, although I suspect we each feel sorry for the other’s wrong headedness. :-)

It’s true there are many times that my personal theological understandings don’t quite make it into the Sunday sermons. However, I’m a lot closer to sharing my exact beliefs now than when I first came to this church. I think it’s much more better to lead the flock than to try to push them. We’re supposed to follow Jesus, not stand still while he pushes.

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Erin D. September 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm

I don’t think she is a coward for staying at all. I didn’t like the anti-gay venom spewed out of the church I grew up in, so I joined another, more enlightened denomination in college. At first I felt powerful, like I was an activist who took a stand and thumbed my nose at my ultra-conservative family members and the whole backwards-thinking church. Now, 10 years later, I have learned about pockets of people from that church who are working for change from within. Sometimes quietly, sometimes brazenly, but they stuck around to change what they thought was broken. Suddenly I feel like the coward who ran away and they are the “sleeper agents” who are doing the real work.

So…..maybe the timing isn’t right now for her to be an ‘activist’ but things are changing fast in the world today. In 5 or 10 years, maybe it will be easier for her to be more outspoken in her beliefs. In the meantime, she can do the “small things with great love” that Mother Theresa talked about. What she did for that one young girl already makes her 500 times braver than people who march around carrying banners in a country where it’s not hard to find like-minded people.

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John Shore September 6, 2011 at 1:51 pm

Wonderfully said, Erin. thanks.

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Melody September 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm

My thoughts exactly, Erin. Very well said.

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Carol VanderNat July 21, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Which is why I’m still a United Methodist…. -=)

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Richard Shaw September 6, 2011 at 12:20 pm

Dear John,

I’d better get the fact that I’m an atheist out of the way first I guess.

I’m an atheist.

Now that that is over with can I just thank you sincerely for the job you are doing with this site. Dan Savage linked me up to you a while back and I find myself visiting every week now and I’m truly heartened by the message I find you (and your contributors/commenters) espousing.

I had a very strict Methodist upbringing and went to a secondary school that is fairly controversial here in Britain for it’s stance on religion as part of the teaching process. (As in, that’s all that should really be taught). This led to my dissatisfaction with my church and contributed to the beliefs I now hold.

Due to the strength of my convictions when I first made this decision my jump away was figuratively violent and in the past I’ve acted and promoted atheism about as strongly as is possible, (militant would be too strong a word, but only just).

My frequent visits here however have caused some serious questioning on positions I’ve taken and arguments I’ve held and while my central philosophy remains the same I do now realise that I have often acted the (insert your own rude word here) when trying to turn others around to my viewpoint.

I really want to thank you for that awakening. For the fact that whilst I may not be a better person for what I’ve read here I do realise that I CAN be a better person and I’m aiming in that direction.

We may never agree on everything but I believe what you are doing to be a wonderful thing that gives me much hope for all of us in the long run.

Don’t ever change.

Yours, with love

A Less Angry Man

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John Shore September 6, 2011 at 1:40 pm

Richard: My goodness; what a lovely letter. Thank you so much for this; it means a great deal to me. You’re clearly a very sweet person. Bummer about you having to spend eternity having the living flesh seared off your bones.

(Kidding! But you knew that. Seriously: thanks. I keep, harbored and nurtured in the tiniest, deepest pocket of the furthest reaches of my mind [away from all ridicule, doncha know] a dream for what I call—and again, this is just between, well, I and I—”One Love.” You just grew that little dream I have of one universal love, just a tiny bit. Thank you.)

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Richard Shaw September 6, 2011 at 3:41 pm

I share a similar dream. I think real harmony could be in our grasp if more people took more time to realise how incredible we are; just how amazing mankind can be when our minds are put to it.

Not just ourselves and the people who agree with us but every single one of us, how we can all be so very valuable and worth loving. I don’t think that should need an agreement on our origins to achieve just an acknowledgment of everyone’s right to find their own path so long as it doesn’t bulldoze someone else’s in the meantime, (Matthew 7:12 anyone?)

So please consider me signed up for “One Love” if nothing else. Run that up the flagpole and I will happily salute it. If you write an anthem for it however you won’t be wanting me singing it. That would stop the movement then and there.

Richard

PS as to the flesh searing – meh, I’m a redhead, I get it every summer anyway.

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Jill July 23, 2012 at 2:22 pm

This, right here, THIS interaction—I wouldn’t believe it happened unless I witnessed it myself. This is why I keep coming over here, getting my spiritual needs filled. (Maybe it’s my human being needs too?)
I so never care about what ideas or philosophies divide people, only concerned with what connects us while honoring our individuality!
Richard is absolutely correct—human beings CAN be amazing when we want to be. The only amazingness comes out of love and mutual respect. I am not so threatened by another’s belief system if those beliefs embody the same basic, boiled-down concept of love that is everyone’s birthright. In fact I am so much more enriched because someone NOT of my background and ideology can love me in spite of any differences.
Richard, I’ve never been atheist, only quietly agnostic during my twenties after leaving behind some bad stuff. Yet I comfortably relate to what you’re saying more than I can relate to the majority of religious dialog out there. So please continue talking and sharing. This is all so brilliant.

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Richard Shaw November 11, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Thank you Jill; one love to you.

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DR February 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm

This is one of the loveliest exchanges. Ever!

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DR September 6, 2011 at 9:35 pm

What a beautiful comment.

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Richard Shaw September 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Thank you, genuinely than you DR.

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DR September 7, 2011 at 4:57 pm

I have read this a number of times. The needless, cruel suffering that so many of you have experienced and survived can drive me into this despair and rage sometimes. Which I know is weird for a straight woman and I hope that I’m not appropriating that resonse from you or anyone else who is gay.

But you also remind me of the besuty and the profound wisdom that comes from the African-American culture that suffered under such terrorism in the south back in th day. Their suffering like yours reminds me of the Presence of Christ and His words that were rooted in suffering and misunderstanding. It’s such a gift to us.

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Christy September 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm

I have to agree with DR, Richard; this was lovely and so wonderful of you to share this sentiment with John…..and all of us. Thank you.

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