Scott Anderson
“Our pastor is gay! Our pastor is gay! How can we possibly continue being Christians now?!”
Okay, fine: I don’t actually know what the two people said to their fellow parishioners at Bethany Presbyterian when, in the spring of 1990, they decided to out their head pastor, Scott Anderson. But they did out Mr. Anderson, who as a result did feel compelled to leave the Sacramento church he’d been serving since 1987—a church he had served so well that soon after he departed from it, for instance, Bethany received the Presbyterian General Assembly’s Ecumenical Service Award for its outstanding collaborative work in meeting the needs of people throughout the Sacramento area.
Awesome pastor? No problem!
Gay awesome pastor? Problem, indeed: Mr. Anderson was pushed out of the closet and straight into the unemployment line.
“Getting outted at Bethany was both the best and worst moment of my life,” Scott told me over the phone. “On the one hand, it was so freeing and empowering to finally be honest about the truth of who I am. On the other hand, it forced me to step away from my passion. The gay issue had never been part of my ministry at Bethany; it hadn’t played any role at all in our conversations there. When out of the blue it became the conversation, I thought it best if I voluntarily resigned from Bethany. I didn’t want the tumult caused by my staying to ultimately prove disruptive to the life of the church.”
Mr. Anderson planned on returning to college full-time, getting a master’s degree in public policy, and then, as he put it, “disappearing into the blessed anonymity of the vast government bureaucracy.” He thought he was forever finished with leading ministries.
Apparently God, however, had a different idea. Soon after leaving Bethany, Scott was offered a job as an administrative coordinator for the California Council of Churches, an advocacy organization in Sacramento that, according to its mission statement, “is to be a prophetic witness to the Gospel by advocating in the public policy arena for justice, equity and fairness in the treatment of all people, in particular those most vulnerable in our society.” He could work at CCC part-time while attending full-time at Cal State Sacramento.
Perfect! So that’s what he did.
Mr. Anderson (who earned his M.A. in Public Policy and Administration in 1992) served the California Council of Churches for twelve years. He spent six of those years as the CCC’s Associate Director before being elected its Executive Director in September 1996.
He also served six years on the governing board and executive committee of the National Council of Churches, was president of the Sacramento Interfaith Service Bureau, president of the National Association of Ecumenical and Interreligious Staff (NAEIS), and chair of the General Assembly Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Concerns for the Presbyterian Church (USA). Now a resident of Madison, Wisconsin, Scott is Executive Director of the Wisconsin Council of Churches.
Hard to imagine such a person disappearing into bureaucratic anonymity, isn’t it?
In 2001, Scott joined Presbyterian U.S.A.’s Theological Task Force on Peace, Unity, and Purity of the Church—or PUP, for short. In 2006, PC (USA)’s General Assembly adopted a recommendation of PUP’s that would allow a candidate for ordination to submit along with their ordination application a “scruple,” or an objection, to the PC (USA)’s ordination standards, based on conscience. The governing body responsible for that candidate’s ordination must then determine whether or not their objection in any essential way violates Reformed faith and practice; if not, that candidate can be ordained.
Perhaps you see where this is headed.
The “scruple” that Scott Anderson wrote and submitted as part of his 2010 application to be re-ordained into the Presbyterian church (his first ordination was “set aside” after he was outed from Bethany) is as elegant, succinct, and persuasive a document as you’ll ever read. Though today relatively few have even seen it, I believe history will remember it as seminal in the evolution of gay rights. See if you agree: read “Scott Anderson’s Objection Based on Conscience.”
The administrative, legislative, and deliberative process by which Mr. Anderson ultimately became the first openly gay person ordained for ministry by PC (USA) is so dense and abstruse it would take a master’s degree in public policy and administration to track and/or explain it. Just looking at my pages of notes on the matter makes me want to climb into a giant maze and take a nap. His case has been winding its way through church-courts for the past two years. (Not hurting his cause at all was PC (USA) officially allowing the ordination of gay and lesbian candidates as of July 10, 2011.)
But he did it. Scott Anderson, who because of his sexual orientation was in April 1990 essentially forced out of his Presbyterian (U.S.A.) church, will, this Saturday, October 8, at 10:30 a.m., in Covenant Presbyterian Church in Madison, Wisconsin, become the first openly gay person ordained in the history of PC (USA)—largely due to his own work modifying the ordination process.
“I’m very excited, humble, and surprised by all this,” Scott told me. “As Christians, we say that we are all made in God’s image. We say that God loves us all equally. We say that we were created to be in relationship. Well, this is the church’s way of fully living into that message. I believe the Presbyterian church will be much, much stronger for having seen this process through. It means that we can now bring true authenticity to our relationship with gay and lesbian people. What a blessing that is to all people who look to the church to find a God who loves them.”
Scott has been with his life-partner Ian MacAllister for twenty years. I do not know how he and Ian will spend the evening of the day on which Scott is ordained. I imagine at some point they will sit together in the living room of their home, beaming broadly at one another. Eventually they will pad off to bed, where they will cuddle up together, and perhaps dream of a world in which a gay man or woman being ordained for ministry in the Christian church isn’t considered newsworthy.

















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Thanks for this great article. Ran across it while prepping for an interview with Scott Anderson tonight (in 20 minutes, actually). If you’re interested in listening, it will air at 7 p.m. central today on WORT 89.9 FM in Madison, Wis. We broadcast live over the internet (www.wort-fm.org), and the show will be in our archives for six weeks. the show is an LGBT interest show called Queery. I was confirmed in the PCUSA at age 13 and this has been a long time in coming. So glad it finally happened!
I’m a divorced woman who is remarried. We all know what Jesus says about divorce. However, I’m not going to sit in the fireplace in sackcloth and rub ashes on myself for the rest of my life. I believe God has forgiven me for that particular sin, just as he does all the other sins I have committed – isn’t that the point of Christianity? And I also believe God not only blesses my current marriage, but that he led me to a particular little Presbyterian church that was pretty darn hard to find in the first place where I would meet this wonderful man that He had chosen for me to spend the rest of my life with. Now, it would be pretty foolish for me to waste my time pointing out someone else’s sin – don’t know if I could do it with a straight face. He who is without sin cast the first stone, ya’ll.
Does not the Bible in the New Testament also say “Jesus the same yesterday, today and tommorrow”, I am not so sure when we pick and choose different portions of scripture to condone a life style. Did not also the Book of Corinthians 5:9- say that “adulterers”, sexually immoral”,”whore mongers”,”perverts” will not inherit he kingdom og God?.
Where do you place Romans 1:24,28: “basically leaving the “natural use of women”, lusting for one another, men to men, committing what is shameful”.
If the greate Apostle Paul states homosexuality as shameful, I hope you are greater in wisdom and godly fear of God that the great Apostle himself to be freely professing and propagating the lifesyle and be gultless to stand in the pulpit and be a minister of the gospel!
I rather God be the righteous judge…
You are absolutely right. John Shore shines light on those who embrace the angel of light’s lies.
In giving the Ten Commandments, before God spoke a word about how to treat others, he started with the family: “Honor your father and your mother” (Exodus 20:12 NIV). Notice that God did not give the command to honor your father and your other father. Or, honor your mother and her partner. Or, honor your mother and her live-in lover. No, it says “Honor your father and your mother.” That is God’s order. When we tamper with God’s template, we do so at our own peril.
The Bible is very clear in saying that homosexuality is not in God’s order. In the Garden of Eden, God brought a man and a woman together. God is not anti-gay; God is anti-sin. No matter how sin expresses itself, God deals with it. A person is not born a homosexual; he or she is born with a sinful nature, like everyone else in the human race.
I will acknowledge that a person who is born with a sinful nature might be attracted to members of the same sex. Certainly that can happen. And I would also acknowledge that a person who is born with a sinful nature might be more prone to issues of addiction. Some people, if they touch alcohol or get involved in drugs, become addicts. There are certain people who are perhaps more vulnerable in certain areas.But having said that, all these things can be overcome with God’s help.
Sometimes people say that the Bible is not clear on this issue. That is false. The Bible is crystal-clear on its teaching on what God says is clearly sin:
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people – none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10 NLT)
There is no confusion on this issue unless your confusion is with the Bible. Romans 1:22–27 lays it out as plainly as it can be laid out regarding what the Bible teaches on this subject. God’s order for the family is a man and woman – a husband and wife – who are faithful to each other. We need to respect that and give it the honor it deserves.
Honor your father and mother.
Yeah, DR.
Small problem with the verse you quoted. The word “homosexuality” didn’t exist at the time it was written. It says something different. And what exactly it means is disputed.
Incidentally, all people have a father and mother regardless of who raises them. Some people are adopted and therefore have more than one father or mother. Jesus, for example.
No, actually I do not believe that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God – because ALL man have fallen short of the glory of God. But another scripture does come to mind: “Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16.18. Hey, we all have Bibles, we can all pull out scriptures that fit our particular frame of mind. Personally, I choose to believe ALL are given salvation by grace and Jesus died as a substitute for ALL mankind. Even those who have sinned…which includes eveyone.
having been with my (now legal, woooohoooo!) husband for 25yrs, I suspect your padding off to bed and cuddling up option is most likely .. but let us not forget, there’s something pretty darn sexy about men of the cloth … maybe some scorching hot sex ensued that night!
This makes me so happy. The struggle our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters are going through is so awful to watch. It brings tears to my eyes to read and hear the joy of their successes! When NY finally allowed gay marriages, I cried looking through pictures shared by the media of couples who had finally been able to be wed! God smiled that day! I pray He will continue to smile at His children finally stopping their widespread practice of oppression against these amazing people.
I am happy to say that our church has a discussion group, both in person and on Facebook, that lets us discuss the hard questions, and not surprisingly this topic came up. A more traditional gentleman asked “How would Jesus handle same sex love? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, written to believers in Corinth, has very serious consequences.” (I assume his perspective is that it is a sin).
In relation to the scripture reference: I looked up the verse (as well as 1 Tim 1:10) in many different translations and some used the word homosexual, but many did not:
1 Corinthians 6:9
nor effeminate (or is less than a man),
nor male prostitutes
nor abusers of themselves with mankind
nor abusers of themselves with men,
nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime,
sodomites
1 Timothy 1:10
perverts
them that defile themselves with mankind
for abusers of themselves with men
for those with unnatural desires
sodomites
Which translation is right? What does “Abuser of themselves” mean? Abuse is usually unwanted, forced, damaging to the body/soul/spirit. What is an “unnatural desire”? Despite its constant use, these phrases are not automatic synonymns for homosexual.
Also, this quick, not in-depth research doesn’t even take into account historical context, cultural practice, or specific cmmentary to a specific audience.
Even a little bit of research (which I think we are ALL accountable to do regarding the “hard questions”, rather than just repeating what others told us was true) opens the door to more questions or should at least allow us to admit that we can’t be as sure as we once were.
To answer the first part of the question, I think Jesus would be sitting down with them and having dinner and sharing His love and the kingdom. Since I personallly don’t believe same sex love (mutally shared, caring, familial, healthy love) is a sin, I don’t think the dinner conversation would end with “Go and sin no more”.
Also note: this view is not shared by all in the discussion group, let alone the wider church body, but I think we are making headway.
Debra,
Why do you think Jesus would not say, “go and sin no more”? Presupposing that (monogamous) homosexuality is not a sin, there are plenty of other sins that we ALL are guilty of – for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Do you honestly think that there are “sinless” homosexuals in this world? I’m sure if Jesus sat at a table of homosexuals he would indeed say “Go and sin no more”, because there are plenty of other sins they’re guilty of, as we all are. As a side note Jesus only said that to people that where truly repentant and sorrowful for their sin before God, the self-righteous, he let them be.
BW: Why do you think Jesus would not say, “go and sin no more”?
Me: I did a quick search and, please correct me if I’m wrong, I can’t find where Jesus said this other than to the woman caught in adultery in John 8. I thought he said it also to the woman at the well, but a reread didn’t reveal that.
In the context of where “Go, and sin no more” is used, Jesus is acting on the behalf of the woman as her intercessor, as her defense lawyer, before those who have accused and would judge her. Using his knowledge of the law in her defense, he can find no one to condemn her (an important word in light of our current conversation here). As her intercessor and a representative of a higher authority neither will he condemn her. He has enacted justice tempered with mercy showing God’s compassion for her. She is free to go. And as modern day judges often do, he reminds her to abstain from anything that might bring her before the court again.
Having worn theological glasses now from both ends of the spectrum, I have to agree with Diana. To me, the difference is in perspective and looking at what Jesus actually said and how he said it. My old paradigm sees and focusses on negative messaging: Thou shalt NOTS and Go, and sin no more so you don’t go to hell. My new paradigm sees and focusses on positive messaging: Go. Follow. Love. Forgive. Feed. Clothe. Heal. Visit. Free. House. Keep (the commandments). Pray (without ceasing). Give (to the one who asks of you). Be (salt). Shine (your light). Use (your talent). Show (yourself friendly). Be an overflowing vessel of grace in the world as your heavenly Father has shown grace to you. It’s a paradigm that interprets the parable of the sower who scatters his seeds everywhere to mean that we are to be lavish and extravagant like the sower spreading seeds everywhere without exception, rather than teaching us to be the good seeds paying close attention to where the seeds should seek to fall…..avoiding the weeds and the rocks.
I hazard a guess that Jesus knew something of human psychology. Positive messaging makes a world of difference. His message was not: Stop sinning! so you can avoid punishment. His message was: Follow me! Here is the way. The way to life…. more abundantly.
So, no. In the image that Diana has painted for us here, I can’t imagine that he would end a dinner with “Go. Sin no more.” He would have told stories with the same depth of meaning that he did for his disciples, encouraging us to think, to hear what was within the words and not just hear the words themselves, to see with eyes that penetrated deeper than the surface…..to the heart of the matter. And he would have encouraged us and offered comfort to fear not and be of good cheer “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)
Sorry. I meant to say “agree with Debra.”
Of course we all sin …but in the context of the original question posted that I was answering, in which the questioner implies that homosexualtiy IS a sin, I was just using my Jesus response as a play on words to indicate that I didn’t think it was a sin (and believing that Jesus wouldn’t say it was either
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Yes, In the original context, you’re both right right and I agree. We must keep a short account of sin in our life, not point out someones else’s, especially since I have a log sticking out of my eye, when others have but mere splinters in theirs. Thanks for the comments ladies…..
One important point to remember here is that Corinthians and Timothy were not written by Jesus. Obviously this in no way makes them useless – they are the opinions and ideas of people closely connected to early Christianity (and at the very least, Corinthians was definitely Paul, who had in some sense encountered Christ). But it does mean that we have the freedom to say ‘I disagree’. Even if Paul truly believed homosexuality to be a sin, which he may well have, I disagree with him.
This is pretty much how I feel.
Some days, I love these conversations because I feel like wisdom is actually being shared. Some days, they just make me tired. I need a nap.
Should have come to FB first, A’isha – I first saw the quote in your comment and didn’t know where it came from, but I am now officially in awe of Peet. Brilliant.
“there are two clear and conflicting points of view regarding homosexuality in the church. both can’t be true, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. i, if i just pick a side, have a 50/50 chance of piking the wrong one. given such odds, i think it’s best to make the choice that involves kindness and loving rather than closed-minded hatred…”
I LOVE this sentiment. I have struggled with the entire “is being gay a sin” issue for a long time. My heart and mind tells me one thing, but the bible is there in black an white telling me another. I lean toward the former, but cannot totally leave behind the nagging “what if” of the latter. This so eloquently speaks of what I believe.
When Paul wrote that all scripture was inspired by God, what scripture was he referring too? This is a question every evangelical literalist needs to ask themselves. The bible, which the majority of Christians believe to be the infallible word of God had not yet been written when Paul wrote this. So what scripture(s) was he referring too? When Jesus speaks of God’s word – what scripture was He referring too? Again the bible was not created – the authors the ‘bible’ not even born during Jesus’ time on earth.
It’s as if nothing has changed since the time when Jesus was living and breathing on planet earth. How many times did Jesus say to his disciples – you don’t understand, you don’t understand, you don’t understand? Same still applies for His so called modern day disciples – you don’t understand – you don’t understand.
Thank you John Shore. You are a breath of much needed fresh air. You rock!
That’s well put. And I would add a further note: that many people who wrote what is now called ‘Scripture’ did not conceive it as such. Paul, for instance, wrote letters. Lots of letters in the middle of his hectic schedule of bouncing around the Mediterranean like some kind of proselytizing pinball. Booming voice of certainty from the heavens it was not.
I’ve often wondered this about the 2 Timothy 3:16-17 passage: “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God”. I asked a clergy friend that very question once: Did Paul know he was writing scripture when he wrote it? Though I realized, for the purpose of communicating with my fundamentalist family members on the matter of scripture, this mattered very little, for they hold dearly to the notion that the entire process and chain of events that led to the King James Version of the Bible was inspired by God and executed according to God’s plan.
Jury’s still out on whether Paul wrote Timothy – though even if he didn’t, ascribing authorship to a ‘Pauline school’ or close connection of Paul is likely.
Well, my Bible (NRSV) has a couple of interesting things on that question. Firstly, it gives an alternative reading of ‘Every scripture inspired by God is useful…’, so there was some debate even in the early church about the passage. Also, the previous verse references the reader as having known the scriptures essential for salvation ‘from childhood’. What might be counted, therefore, as Timothy’s definition of scripture could depend on when it was written and to whom.
The very first chapter in my “Claiming the Promise” workbook deals with this scripture. “In the original Greek, 2 Timothy 3:16 lacks the verb ‘is.’ Translators must supply it and decide where to put it. Should it be ‘All scripture [is] inspired and useful’ or ‘All scripture inspired [is] useful’?”
This is the “Young’s Literal Translation” of 2 Timothy 3:16-17: 16every Writing [is] God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that [is] in righteousness,
17that the man of God may be fitted — for every good work having been completed.
As you can see, the [is] is in brackets–signifying that it’s not a part of the original text. So, now I will quote the verses without the [is].
16every Writing God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that in righteousness,
17that the man of God may be fitted — for every good work having been completed.
Anyway, I just thought I’d share this.
Thank you, Diana. Do you have a clergy connection? I’ve been wondering for sometime.
A clergy connection? I’m not sure what you mean by that. I’m currently attending a United Methodist Church and I take a lot of classes there. But I’ve never been to seminary or anything like that. I don’t have any close friends who are clergy either, though in the context of my classes at church, I do get to discuss stuff with the clergy. Mostly, I’m just an insatiable reader, especially on Christian topics. Call me God-haunted (a term I’m borrowing from Andrew Greeley–who’s been a huge influence on my theology, though not the only one.)
I wondered if you had been to seminary. You seem to have a breadth of knowledge and insight…..and tenderness. God-haunted. I like that….and a fellow insatiable reader….I like that too.
Thank you, Christy. I’ve thought about seminary, but I think I’m being called in a different direction–though maybe God is just taking me the long way around.
I’ve more than thought about Seminary…..but there are a few hurdles to cross first.
The long way is familiar. Perhaps synchronicity is in play as a friend posted this this morning: “Sometimes the hard way is really the easy way and the slow way is really the quick way. Yet such sublime surprises may remain forever unknown when one waits… and waits… for the quick and easy way to manifest. Go!”
Blessings on your calling.
One thing for sure about the writer’s intentions: Paul did not, as he was writing a letter, consider HIS OWN WRITING, not at that point gathered for the edification of anyone, “scripture” and regard it as inerrant. I suspect he would have been horrified that his comment about what he considered to be scripture at that time was taken as referring to his own writings. He also certainly wasn’t referring to the Gospels since they hadn’t been written yet.
There’s even a verse where Paul states in so many words that he has no inspiration from God on a given matter but is giving his own opinion. I asked a literalist about this one, and was told, “Paul didn’t know. He was really inspired and inerrant when he said that, he was just mistaken in believing he wasn’t.”
So… paradox much? He was inspired and inerrant when he said he wasn’t inspired and inerrant?
Congratulations to Mr. Anderson. I truly believe there’s a special blessing prepared for those who forge a path – in spite of great personal cost – that those of us who will come after them can follow. He shouldn’t have had to. I’m thankful that he did.
My prayers are with Mr. Anderson as he returns to vocational ministry, and with his partner as he supports him, and with the congregation he will serve as they welcome him.
there are two clear and conflicting points of view regarding homosexuality in the church. both can’t be true, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. i, if i just pick a side, have a 50/50 chance of piking the wrong one. given such odds, i think it’s best to make the choice that involves kindness and loving rather than closed-minded hatred…
I want to apologize for my above comment, I took my filthy mood out on some innocent person who really didn’t deserve my, “what about me!” , cry for help. So I sincerely am sorry, I self medicated and can face another day. Peace.
We all have something heavy to carry. It’s easier to be more tender toward each other knowing this. Peace to you ….and thank you for this.
I’ve since changed the title to this piece, Paul, to reflect exactly what you’ve here noted.
Scott Anderson is not a “gay minister.” He is a minister who happens to be gay.
There have been gay ministers before, in every church, whether one knows it or not. But now it’s time to be open and honest about this. God calls all kinds of folks to ministry.
Beautifully put, Mindy! Keep fighting the bood fight!
Wow is right! Love this: “If the Bible is God’s manual, it’s like an Ikea manual translated into English from Swedish by a Chinese speaker raised in Portugal.”
PERFECT, A’isha!!! Where did that quote come from? It puts it in perspective exactly!
It was in an amazing passage by Peet: http://johnshore.com/2011/10/03/meet-scott-anderson-presbyterian-usas-first-openly-gay-ordained-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-95895
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