Pastor to rape victim: “He should have killed you. At least you’d have died a virgin.”

by John Shore on December 20, 2011 in Christian Issues · 703 comments

I got this in yesterday:

Hi, John. I became acquainted with your writing a couple of months ago and love it. I so wish I could travel back in time and hear your voice in my head while I was growing up, instead of the hard-core fundy “you’re going to hell” soundtrack of my early life.

I’ve read with great interest the letter from the young woman who felt that God degraded Mary–and your earlier post about why some folks consider it so important that Mary remain a virgin for life. I just had to share a bit of my story around exactly that issue.

When I was 16 years old, I was raped at knife-point by a stranger. Not having a clue how to handle it, I decided to confide first of all in my pastor. While I was literally still bleeding from the attack, he told me (and I quote) “It’s too bad that you didn’t force him to kill you instead. That way you could have at least died a virgin.” That was the sum total of his “advice” to me—not, “Oh, you should go to the police,” or “Oh, I’m so sorry that happened to you,” or anything that might have been even remotely helpful anywhere on this planet.

After that reaction, I decided not to tell anyone else—including my parents or the police—ever. It wasn’t until six years later, after I had attempted suicide and was hospitalized for severe depression, that the truth came out. And then, only because I saw my rapist’s wedding photo and announcement in our local paper and freaked out a bit. (Well, okay, a lot.) It took me a long time, a ton of therapy, and no small measure of the grace of God to get past this exhibit of what a pastor-friend calls the “cult of virginity.”

God calls us to be sooooo much more than what happens with (or to) our genitals. Thank you, thank you, thank you for being a voice of reason and compassion in that regard!! To this day, almost 30 years later, I harbor more anger toward that “pastor” than I do toward the man who raped me. At least the rapist wasn’t pretending to represent God. The damage the rapist did to my body and my psyche was not insignificant — but the soul-damage done by this “man of God” nearly killed my faith.

Dear pastor, priest, or ministry leader:

As I’m guessing (and certainly hoping) that you’re aware, a great many men go into the profession of spiritual leader because—and to whatever degree they’re aware of it—they are at war with their sexuality. They enroll in seminary at least partly because they are convinced that the closer they get to God, the further they’ll get from their genitals.

God will save them from their evil thoughts. God will vanquish their craven desires. Once and for all will God, by the healing power of His merciful glory, deliver them from their dicks.

Which, of course, never, ever, ever works, since, A: what we try to repress invariably eats us alive, and B: a person can no sooner stop being a sexual being than a kitten playing with a ball of yarn can stop being cute.

Kittens: cute. Planets: round-looking. Stars: bright. Fish: enjoy water. Dogs: rude at the dinner table.

Human beings: sexually charged.

Those are the rules; they change for no one: seminary degree, or “calling from God,” or not.

I would like to ask a favor of you, pastor or priest. It will only take a second. Thank you very much for obliging me on this.

If you would, please, for just a moment, think of women.

Now, did anything negative—anything, no matter how vague or fleeting—flash across your consciousness?

If so, then please get up from your desk, or turn to your computer, or do whatever it is that you must, in order to, at this very moment, quit your job. You are no more suited to lead a flock of believers than Stephen Hawking is to be a professional boxer.

At best you are a profound and grievous embarrassment to God; at worst Satan himself got you your current position, and revels every day in the work you do.

You wouldn’t know good counsel from bad breath, okay?

You are a hairball clogging up the sink of life.

That quick twitch of negativity that shot across your consciousness when you thought of women is like a pregnant cockroach shooting under your pantry door. It can mean only one thing: you, friend, have a very real problem.

Please stop making your problem the problem of others. Quit your job. You can get another job. You can get any other job. You just can’t have one in which any person turns to you in your capacity as a representative of God. You are not a representative of God. You are a representative of everything that Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to eradicate.

You are bringing into the world, and empowering, injustice. You are contributing to the creation of victims. You are fostering the subjugation of women.

Stop doing that! Quit your job! Speak for yourself, if you must. But please cease speaking for God.

If you are a pastor or priest who, to any degree whatsoever, believes that women are intrinsically inferior to men—that women should “submit” to their husbands, or to men generally; that they’re less intelligent than men; that they’re less emotionally sophisticated than men; that they’re less ambitious, driven, or as proud as men; that their highest calling is to be mothers; that their moral status is inextricably tied to their virginity; that they cause men to sin—then I and every other sane person in the world is begging you to find another profession.

We’re more than begging you. We’re warning you. We’re trying to help you.

You can change your life, alter your course, undo some or all of the wrong you’ve done, seek the help you need. You can embrace, and come to terms with, your sexuality. There is still time in this life for you to do those good and healthy things.

But you die as the same pastor, with the same attitude about women, that you have right now?

Then, brother, you better hope that God has mercy on your sorry, stupid, arrogant soul.

 

See also Christian leaders: For God’s sake, stop empowering wife abusers.

I’ve also written 7 Reasons Stay in Abusive Relationships, and How to Defeat Each One of Them.

 

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Cynthia Anne Womack via Facebook April 3, 2012 at 7:55 am

Uhhh….This was the Church of Satan??? Seriously,even with some of the harsh statements,Shore’s response is a compassionate demand that leaders liberate themselves from destructive mindsets before their liabilities do harm to other people.

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Nancy Shute April 3, 2012 at 7:27 am

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. As a female, a pastor, a feminist and a human being, again I say, thank you.

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Liz Peryam via Facebook April 3, 2012 at 7:12 am

Oh, God! Save us from your followers!

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Laura Gossert via Facebook April 3, 2012 at 7:07 am

I read this a bout a month ago and it made me so angry. How could a person whom you look to for advise say such a horrible thing to someone?

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Kimberli Rose via Facebook April 3, 2012 at 7:03 am

This makes me so mad every time I think of it! What a horrible, insensitive and cruel thing to say to someone who has survived such a terrible ordeal!

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Amy April 3, 2012 at 6:37 am

Thanks for sharing this story again. I don’t think people realize the damage they do when they make off-the-cuff remarks like “at least you’d have died a virgin”. Right – because an intact hymen is certainly worth more than a life.
When I tried to tell a loved one that I had been gang-raped, she answered me with “don’t tell me you got yourself ruined.” Thanks – because I had the crazy idea that I was still a good person, even though something terrible happened to me.
For all the folks out there who start to reply to a statement like “I was raped” with another statement like: “That would never happen to me” or “didn’t you fight?” or “what were you wearing?”, please know that there is no more egregious wrong you can do than to throw your smug, self-satisfied platitudes at a victim. If you can’t say “I’m sorry” or “what can I do to help you?” then just don’t say ANYTHING. If you can’t offer support, then at least don’t cause harm.

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Jessica Britt via Facebook April 3, 2012 at 6:16 am

YEAKS :(

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Katie February 12, 2012 at 10:50 am

John Shore, I don’t know if there is a god, but IF there is, YOU are his voice.

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John Shore February 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm

My goodness. What a kind thing to say. thank you.

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Gary December 29, 2011 at 7:49 am

@LSS and all, Pertaining to the conversation with Edy,

I agree LSS, it is very difficult to know the proper response in these situations, and no response is probably better than engaging him the way I did. I apologize too all for my less than stellar responses at the end of the dialogue. I confess it is a weakness of mine when someone is being particularly aggressive and abusive in their approach not to challenge them directly. And perhaps some level of challenge is appropriate, I honestly don’t know. I am however working on tempering my responses to these types of situations…just not always as effectively as I should…grin.

Edy clearly represented someone in need of help…but not likely receiving it or willing for that matter. At first I thought he was just a fundy on the attack and so engaged him as such. But it soon became clear there are much deeper issues in play for him.

BTW – As for the anti-psychiatry stance of many in the church, it is an unfortunate but none the less very real backlash of the fundamental mindset. No matter how many will say “just pray about it”, some conditions and those suffering from them desperately need professional help and the church in general has been a tremendous hindrance in the area.

@John,
This conversation may be leading us too far off topic and if so I will understand if you feel you need to delete these comments, or the entire conversation with Edy. Whoever he is though…I genuinely hope he finds some help.

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LSS December 29, 2011 at 8:58 am

Now i have an even more radical idea than before when i was anti-psych. I think only ppl with psych dx should be allowed to be shrinks. More empathy that way. But i may be exaggerating in this opinion.

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Mindy December 29, 2011 at 9:40 am

You have to consider the difference between psychologists/therapists and psychiatrists (commonly called shrinks). Psychiatrists are MDs – they specialize in their field after medical school. I’d prefer someone with a sound medical background be prescribing me medication any day, regardless of whether or not they have a dx. Finding one able to empathize is a matter of personality – and trying different ones until a patient feels right with the doctor is perfectly reasonable.

I have seen both through my healing process over the years. My current doctor is a 65-ish Muslim woman who is about 4’10″ and her hijab and big glasses makes her face look especially tiny behind her large desk – but she’s sharp as a tack, listens well and has kept me healthy for the last 3 years or so. I haven’t a clue if she’s ever had a diagnosis, but it doesn’t matter.

Psychologists/therapists/counselors, on the other hand, may well be more effective with a diagnosis. All of the ones I know as friends have one. Or more.

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DavenReaghHorn December 28, 2011 at 4:35 pm

I beileve (as every person with any common sense beilever or unbeilever alike) that anyone who says “at least you would have died” followed by anything is insane. Now insane people are not necissarily a bad thing, however when you put them in a position of power over peoples lives they can be quite dangerous. A dog would be better suited for the position becuase at least dogs are nice. well i have had my little rant sorry if i offended anyone

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Gary December 29, 2011 at 7:37 am

I think you are right on target.

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LSS December 29, 2011 at 7:39 am

“because at least dogs are nice.” i don’t even like dogs and i agree with you.

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Gary December 29, 2011 at 7:51 am

Are you seeing my comments here?

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LSS December 29, 2011 at 8:26 am

Since that is reply to my comment, i will answer Yes… But why? did i say something wrong?

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Gary December 29, 2011 at 8:39 am

No not at all. My comment above was moderated (probably for good reason) and I wanted to see if anything was getting through.

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LSS December 29, 2011 at 8:53 am

Oh i get it now.

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