A few nights ago I got in this letter about Tim Tebow:
This year, many Christians I know have been thrilled by Tim Tebow and his well-publicized Christianity. I don’t have any problem with that. However, some of them have taken it a step further, and implied or stated that God is looking favorably upon the Broncos because of this.
This, I must admit, makes me a crazy woman. I find it hard to believe that God would interfere in the outcome of a football game, regardless of the religion of the participants—and if it were true that he did, it makes hard to fathom the success of many people who are downright nasty. But I know many people who seem to feel that every win for the Broncos was proof positive that Christianity (and in particular, a very fundamentalist Christianity) is the One True Way. Because of this attitude, I actually find myself cheering against people who are blatantly Christian in public, which I don’t want to do. Any thoughts?
So my first thought is that Tim Tebow sounds like the name of the Santa’s elf in charge of drumming monkey dolls. But that’s … stupid. Sorry.
My second thought is that no one who is downright nasty is ever successful. If you’re nasty (as in Scrooge-nasty, not “Oh, my! My boob!” Janet Jackson-nasty ), you lose. That’s the rule. (Though of course I know what the reader meant: When Dickheads Are Victorious is always a disconcerting show to watch.
My third thought is that if Tim Tebow were all that devout, wouldn’t he, ala Eric Liddell, refuse to play on Sunday—the Lord’s Day, the Christian Sabbath? I mean, pious-wise, I’m somewhere between Andy Griffith and … well, Otis the wino, and even I never published anything on Sundays before I started posting Pastor Bob’s sermons.
But whatever, I know. An NFL player who won’t play on Sundays is like a vampire who sunbathes. Total fail.
My fourth thought is the terribly obvious: “What kind of loser God would give a [bleepeth] which team wins a football game?”
The idea that Tim Tebow compels God to arrange for the Denver Broncos to win football games is so amazingly stupid that having to take it seriously for as long as it took me to type that has given my eyes a heart attack. Now I hate my life.
Curse you, moronic Tim Tebow fans! A pox upon your … oh, forget it. You wouldn’t know a pox from Biggie Smalls.
But is saying that in response to prayer God doesn’t throw football games the same as saying that God doesn’t hear, or care about, prayers offered to him?
Of course not. God does help Tim Tebow win football games. How? Because whenever any of us open ourselves up to the presence of God, we become a better version of ourselves. We become calmer, more centered, more compassionate: we gain the comprehension and apprehension of an ultimate context that is both pacifying and edifying.
We become (for, alas, however long) wiser.
Sometimes doing that is called prayer. Sometimes it’s called meditation. Sometimes its called worshiping. Sometimes it’s called centering oneself.
Sometimes it’s even called Tebowing.
Cultivating one’s relationship with God (or the Cosmic Divine, or … whatever/however anyone thinks of The Really Big Picture)? Thumbs up.
Being obnoxiously ostentatious about doing that, and failing to realize how obviously that communicates nothing but ego and show? Thumbs down.
Attributing the Broncos’ rise to the playoffs as God’s response to Tim Tebow’s displays of faith—and then having the Broncos get dropped like a bowling ball in a pool? And having the news come out today that during his team’s AFC divisional loss on Sunday, Tim Tebow was badly hurt—but that he continued to play through his pain?
Two thumbs up from this reviewer for that episode of the ultimate reality show.
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I agreed with your take on this. Still I say Matthew 6.
Turn to stone, lose my faith? I’ll be gone before it happens…
As a Steelers fan… I love this.
I’m so glad that lady said what I’ve been thinking. About Christians. Although I don’t cheer against them, I immediately mistrust anyone who says they’re Christian, especially if they wear a giant diamond-studded cross necklace or say “God is so good” and “I’m so blessed” every few seconds.
Amen! er uh I mean uh, I agree.
Jesus also commanded us not to be like the hypocrites, who stand on the street corners praying so that their piety can be seen, but fail to fulfill the Father’s will.
God said to Abraham (Genesis Ch. 12) ” I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you, I will curse.”
Do you study the Bible?
No. I just wait for people like you to tell me what’s in it.
Oooh, snap! That one made me laugh.
Me too!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! My hoot for the day.
Where do these random references that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject come from? It seems clear that you do not actually study the bible.
Hint…when you use it as a weapon…you totally distort its message.
Speaking as a Big Fag (yes, I am allowed to use that term, I’ve earned it) I know there may come a time when I have to boycott Mr. Tebow’s endeavors, but for now, I’m cutting Tim some slack.
Tebow’s only 24, a sheltered missionary kid, with lots of time left to evolve. (When I was 24, my big accomplishments were dressing like I was in “The Smiths” and spending a week’s paycheck to snag wicked-good seats for a Madonna concert.)
Plus, modeling underwear for Jockey – looking good, Tim – is an excellent counter-balance to public piety.
Of course, speaking as a sports fan ………. GO PATS!
I love your site John and thank you for it. Re Tim Tebow, I am at a loss when I see, hear or read Christians putting Tim down because he publicly demonstrates his Christian Faith in front of millions. Jesus has commanded us to “make disciples”, thus to show publicly and privately the message of Christ. If Tim’s way of obeying our Lord’s command is by “Tebowing”, then, may God bless him. He shows courage that is commendable. A hidden Christian is a closet Christian – not very useful. Tim has no other means than putting one knee down for a few seconds and thus does what he can to promote “the message” – Christ is alive. How else could he do it? The Tebow law is now passed so no more verses under the eyes. He still has his knee.
I’ve always taught my sons that we are trinary beings, and that is why we are in the image of God. We are physical body, mind, and spirit. To me, as a former athlete, when God has helped me it has been the spirit portion entering me and allowing my body to do things that are not normally physically possible. It’s what a lot of athletes call being in the zone. So we all have this available to us. We have only to open ourselves and believe.
Interesting observation James, he may be honoring Jesus with thanks but the focus is indeed on his reflection.
David Bowie + Tim Tebow = Tebowie:
http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/obnoxiousbostonfan/2012/01/video_tebow_tebowie_fallon.html
Watch the video and enjoy.
I saw that the other day and LOVED it, but then I think just about anything Jimmy Fallon does is adorable . . .
Pretty good, eh?
When he tebows, it looks like the mythological Narcissus gazing into a pool and being caught by how good he looks
James, I believe you have captured the truth about Tebow and tebowing.
Narcissism.
Tim’s tebowing is a childish play for attention. “Look how God has blessed ME”
“WE won because of God’s blessing.” “MY victory is evidence of God’s favor.”
In everyday speech, “narcissism” often means inflated self-importance, egoism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness.
Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.
In psychology, the term is used to describe both normal self-love and unhealthy self-absorption due to a disturbance in the sense of self.
Will,
I have never heard Tim Tebow use those words. Also when he “Tebow’s” it is never more than a few moments, probably just a silent prayer of thanks for all the goodness of God.
There is no shortage of narcissism among professional athletes. I would suspect that this athlete is attempting a spiritual discipline intended to avoid this common outcome. If so, I hope he succeeds.
Doing a little dance after a successful play is a childish bid for attention.
One does a dance. Another strikes a pose. No difference.
The eye of the beholder.
“The eye of the beholder” means you see what you want to see.
What you see depends on who you are.
Which is exactly what you’re doing here.
This may be the truth.
I think is so totally inappropriate to take a sliver of behavior and try to assign such meaning to it. Good Lord, all of you who are projecting your own issues onto this guy we really know nothing about are really unsettling. This is an extreme stretch and says way more about you than it does him.
A “sliver of behavior”???
It is Tebow’s trademark.
“Tebowing” is a prayer pose that is named after him.
Doesn’t he “tebow” all the time?
Look at that picture on the top of this page.
That is not a spontaneous one-time-deal.
He is “striking a pose”
What this entire controversy tells me is how childish and ignorant so many Christians can be. Tebow is likely sincere but young. I would not put on the display he does as I believe the controversy it creates outweighs any good he hopes to accomplish. But I try not to judge him for it because frankly I do not know him and whether or not he is a hypocrite. Not my place.
But seeing so many Christians lose all sense of rational thought (“God is helping Tebow win”) is really offensive to me. God is not some damn genie in a bottle who responds to our childish whims. I am far more offended by those who portray Him as such than I am by young Tebow’s actions.
Gary, you are so right in that Tim Tebow IS young. I have to also agree with those who have quoted Matt. 6:5. However, because of his youth, it may take him some learning moments to realize that his very public demonstration of faith actually is being used by the “name and claim it” crowd. I have only paid attention to this when seeing people comment about him on Facebook (news source extraordinaire?
). The part about him being in league with Focus on the Family (one of the more homophobic “Christian” cults) bothers me. Having been in a cult in my youth (long story), I know how easy it is to “prove” certain dogmas and to persuade young, devout, and enthusiastic people. If Tim Tebow is sincerely seeking God’s will in his life, hopefully God will give Tim the wisdom he will certainly need while he’s in the public eye.
I disagree with the notion that public expressions of faith are somehow invalidating the private expressions of faith, those of you up in arms around this are applying an almost tyrannically restrictive brush on the intentions behind said actions and I wonder what gives you such authority to do so? Or the benefit of your speculation to the Kingdom?
While I understand the larger point those of you are making around this and agree that it’s essential, the condemnation around this young man who for him – as he’s expressed directly – sees this as a commitment that he makes personally that moves him *internally* – is deeply unsettling. There is a huge difference between pointing out the boundaries of where we me might be – in our public displays of worship – be crossing a line that’s in violation of the scriptures you are all referencing, and the blanket arrogance some of you are unleashing on this young man, actually suggesting that you *know* something about what’s going on behind his behavior and drawing conclusions as a result.
When families continue lose loved ones in Afghanistan and Iraq,
to think for a moment that God can influence the outcome of a football game,
but He couldn’t be bothered saving a young soldier’s life…..
I publicly proclaim my disgust.
Will,
Did it ever occur to you that God HAS protected and saved thousands of soldiers already and that’s why they’re alive today?
A plane crashes. 399 Dead. One survivor.
You say, “God is great. He saved that one.”
I say that your statement is the pinnacle of cruelty.
If God could/does save one, why not all?
Maybe if that one lives to be more than the ordinary schlub that they already were, but there is no evidence of that ever happening.
What do you say to the families and loved ones whom God left to die?
“God could have lifted a finger and saved your loved one, but He chose not to.”
Is that what you say Brian?
Or will you fall back on the old “mysterious ways” excuse, used by all those who pretend to know the mind of God, when they find they don’t.
I have thought that myself, especially with the number of good people I know who have lost loved ones at a young age. But then, as a Christian, what is the alternative? That we state that God does not have the power?
I try to rationalise it not as simply as that God only saves those for whom he has a purpose, but that hardship seems to develop the good in people. My friend who just miscarried twins, for example – it was not that the babies were not considered useful, or adequate by Him, but that my friend will take the hardship and grow to be an even more wonderful mother to the two daughters she has, and that in turn will lead to God’s plans being executed.
I don’t know. I’m just trying to find a theory that makes sense to me. I don’t know if it can bring any comfort – I often think of it in relation to my own child, and if God were to take him from me, what the reason could be.
Thank you Becca. Thank you for your honest and thoughtful reply.
We are all “just trying to find a theory that makes sense” to us.
I honor your humble admission of uncertainty.
In my eyes that makes you a Thinking, Loving, Caring, Human Being.
TLCHB is the highest honor I have to give.
I’ll bet Jesus is proud of you.
The idea of a god that has a plan that includes the death of loved ones, often hundreds or thousands just to make others stronger and better strikes me as a cruelly capricious entity I would and do want nothing to do with. The god that lives in your mind is an entity with human-like thought processes invented by humans, mindful of the Greek philosopher Xenophanes who opined that “if horses had gods, they would look like horses.”
****I don’t know. I’m just trying to find a theory that makes sense to me.****
Aren’t we all, even those who reject the very idea of “gods”. The reason you have a problem with your concept of God is because it is an immature, child-like WISH to have something comforting in this capricious life. But what comfort is there in a god that is equally capricious?
To assign human emotions and thought processes to “God” is folly.
I don’t know WHAT God is either. No one does no matter what anyone tries to insist. The best illustration of God probably came from Jesus and his life of love. He showed, and the Bible says clearly, that “God is Love”…..a concept……a Spirit. Is that not enuf? If we live that, we can sanguinely face the capriciousness of life, trusting that there is something about that Spirit that we are all a part of and return to when we leave these worldly bodies.
For me, God is a Cosmic Spirit of Love. I have no need of the childish image of a human-like entity deciding whether to comfort me or strike me down to “take me home”. THAT, and the hopeless effort of constantly trying to please such a god so that it won’t strike me, (which it ultimately does anyway and mostly for no apparent reason) is the truly fearful way to live.
God is Love. Jesus showed us that love and how to live it, and I think he also showed us how to trust in Love. It really is that simple.
“god …. as a cruelly capricious entity I … want nothing to do with. ” Yes.
“To assign human emotions and thought processes to “God” is folly.” Yes.
The best illustration of God probably came from Jesus and his life of love. Yes.
““God is Love”…..a concept……a Spirit. Is that not enuf?” Yes.
“God is Love.” “Jesus showed us that love and how to live it” Yes!
“It really is that simple.”
YES! YES! YES! Thaank you Jayy-zuss!!!
Thank you Soulmentor.
Well……may I assume you’re a fan?!!!!!! Thank YOU.
I’m a fan of truth.
I’m a fan of whoever speaks the truth.
I’m a fan of whoever embraces the truth.
I’m a fan of whoever lives the truth.
Ah……and “What is truth?”
According to the Bible, even Jesus didn’t respond which I find very intriguing.
Will,
You want God to act and react the way YOU want Him to or they way you would and He doesn’t. Why events happen the way they do is known but by God, but I know ALL things work togther for good to them that love God are the called according to his purpose. The fact God saves even one is by His grace (receiving what we don’t deserve) and mercy (not receiving what we do deserve). No one knows the mind of God and to pretend that anyone does is absurd.
Thank you Brian for engaging in conversation with me.
As Becca said, “I’m just trying to find a theory that makes sense to me.”
A chess-playing-God isn’t a satisfying answer to the chaotic state of the world and the percieved randomness of life.
“ALL things work togther for good” is a very useful idea that I have found comfort in. Just holding that thought is comforting to me, even as I question it’s absolute truth.
Another comforting belief of mine is that, (if God exists), God is the creator of all that is real, including you and me.
Therefore, that which God created is indeed deserving of both grace and mercy.
Are not your children deserving of grace and mercy, simply because they are your children? And I mean all of your children, not just some.
What kind of “perfect creator” sets out to create something “unworthy”?
Didn’t Jesus say “By their fruits you shall know them”?
Aren’t we the fruits of God’s tree?
When the supposition is that God “has His hand in” the workings of this world, I would expect better results. If we are to believe every Bible and all the self proclaimed Bible advocates, the percentage of souls burning in eternal agony is hellishly high. To put it in manufacturing terminology God’s failure rate is astronomically unacceptable.
If God accepts praise for Tebow’s performance on the field,
then God is also responsible for the starvation in Africa. Yes?
I prefer to believe that God has a “hands off” approach.
“Hands off” because God knows that when playtime is over, all of God’s children come home to Him.
It can be no other way. God’s will is done. Yes?
To me that makes sense and is comforting at the same time.
“When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get.”
Matthew 6:5 (New Living Translation)
My definition of the word “Christian” is; One whe follows Christ’s instructions.
It looks to me that Jesus is saying that Tim Tebow is a hypocrite.
While not judging Tebou’s choice to publicly pray before the game – he may be totally sincere in wanting to give glory to God – I can only recall Christ’s words of caution: to be not LIKE the hypocritical Pharisees who relish in being observed in displaying “holiness” in public only to be seen. The idea that God actively participates in ANY human actions is a slippery slope. For those who are fair weather Christians giving praise and glory to God when things are going well for them – the way THEY want them – can quickly become :Christians” who drive the lances into Christ’s side for personal tragedies, protesting “how can a loving God” allow terrible things to happen to me or my loved ones. Christians live their lives as best they can but ACCEPT the Will of the Father – joyfully.
“fair weather Christians giving praise and glory to God when things are going well for them – the way THEY want them – can quickly become :Christians” who drive the lances into Christ’s side for personal tragedies”
Good observation. Were they ever really following Christ?
Was Judas?
For those that believe Jesus’ martyrdom was God’s divine plan (I don’t),
wasn’t Judas instrumental in achieving that goal? Didn’t Jesus hurry Judas to his task? “Jesus therefore saith unto him, What thou doest, do quickly.” (John13.27)
But that’s neither here nor there since the story may have been tinkered with to prove a point.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1810169&page=1
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0406_060406_judas.html
Was Peter?
“Lord, I’ll always follow you.” —> “Who is this guy? I don’t know him.”
Yes, you have taken my point exactly. When Jesus’ disciples had no idea what was in the heart and mind of one of them 12, and when after 2000 years of intense study, still no one does, why would I think that the average commenter on this blog has any idea what is in the heart and mind of a young football player? We all can make our guesses, but, the pretense to actually be sure strikes me as being a humorous presumption.
The formation of the scriptures appears to be far more artful than just a little “tinkering”.
“The formation of the scriptures appears to be far more artful than just a little “tinkering”.”
You can say that again. The books of the Bible appear to have been written solely by………… wait for it!…………………MEN!
Consider another document, not nearly as old as the Bible. Written a mere 225 years ago, in the language of my birth, with no translation necessary. And yet today’s administrators of that document are in violent disagreement as to the meaning and purpose of the Constitution of the United States.
I appreciate your point about presuming to know what the motives are of any person. Especially since I continue to unveil my own motives previously hidden to myself. It is quite probable that Hitler and his crew were trying to make the world a better place as they saw it.
But Donald, dagnabbit, that Tebow is showboating! LOL
A riddle;
How do you make a biblical historian laugh and cry at the same time?
Answer;
Begin a sentence with the words, “The Bible very clearly states……”
Good Lord, your obnoxious commentary in this simply shows your rather large ax you’re attempting to grind. Ugh.
I’m sorry DR.
Do I have my facts wrong? Have I mistated something?
Is it that you disagree that the Bible was written by men?
Since I have failed in my mission to be persuasive, would you please explain where the commentary became obnoxious to you.
Was that Gospel of Judas known about when JK Rowling wrote the last few volumes of Harry Potter? I may be mixing metaphors, or allegories, rather… But it seems a very good reason for what what she made happen with Snape and Dumbledore.
That’s a very good question LSS. It appears the codex was discovered in 1978 but hidden and it was only made public very recently.
I do remember in my teenage years thinking that there had to be more to the story than 30 pieces of silver. People rarely give up their friends to be murdered unless they are hooked on some very powerful drugs.
As far as Harry Potter, I believe you are on to something. Great literature is great because the human events told are universally experienced and timeless.
As the unknown author of the Book Of Ecclesiastes wrote,
“What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. “
Well yeah, and just so it’s clear, i don’t mean any sense of plagiarism…
When the story finally ended she DID say that she was making a Christ allegory along the lines of the aslan sacrifice in Narnia books, but that she couldn’t let on earlier (despite all those extreme christians saying HP was witchcraft-endorsing or satanic LOL) because she didn’t want to give away the part where Harry would have to be a sacrifice.
So the Judas Gospel, i think the article was from 2006? But they said something had been rumored before? Anyway it makes sense because the whole time from Book1 we were made to doubt about Snape “is he good, is he evil?” … I bet i could make this point even better if i had actually read all the books. I actually only read the first one and saw most but not all the movies (first 2 and last 3? I think). May probably catch up eventually, though.
“I do remember in my teenage years thinking that there had to be more to the story than 30 pieces of silver. People rarely give up their friends to be murdered unless they are hooked on some very powerful drugs.”
One of the arguments that has been used is that Judas’s motivation was to force Jesus’s hand by putting him in a situation in which he would “have to” reveal himself as the messiah. Judas didn’t realize that Jesus would allow himself to be taken and crucified. When Jesus did allow this, this is what caused Judas to give back the 30 pieces of silver and hang himself.
I believe that this motivation is expressed in Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber’s rock opera “Jesus Christ Superstar”–though I could be wrong.
Diana, You are correct about the rock opera.
By attaching that motivation to Judas, he appears to be a really good guy who made a dreadful mistake.
I bought Jesus Christ Superstar on vinyl when it first came out in the 1970′s. It’s still one of my favorites.
Tim Tebow’s pass completion percentage is pretty bad for a professional, less than fifty percent. Somehow, this fact eludes the Tebowmania crowd. Secondly, he’s in bed (figuratively speaking) with Focus on the Family, whose homophobic stance has been well-documented. I have no idea if he’s (otherwise) a good guy or not, because you know what? It’s never going to come up. I’m probably not going to run into him personally any time soon. What I do know is, every time I see him “Tebow,” Matthew 6: 5-6 pops into my mind. Red flag on the play. You don’t have to be in the world’s face to be Christlike, nor are those whose faith is a bit less ostentatious any less Christlike than those who like to pray on camera. Just sayin’.
“What I do know is, every time I see him “Tebow,” Matthew 6: 5-6 pops into my mind. Red flag on the play.”
The referee calls, “Penalty, for failing to follow Christ’s rulebook.
How many yards penalty is that?
at the end of the day ,,we on our own, stand before the Father of Creation …
Totally out of context, I have finally recovered from a coughing fit that was triggered by my gut-splitting laughter at John’s quip regarding Tim Tebow’s name, “sounds like the name of the Santa’s elf in charge of drumming monkey dolls.” This cold is going to kill me if I don’t suppress my laughter.
1 Peter 3:15-16 15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
Actually I agree with almost all of ya’ll…and I’m not a worshiper. Prayer is a spiritual connection between one and the divine. Whether would be a separate God, or the god within…it’s the same to me.
And here I was just hoping to see a photo of John Shore tebowing. How that would have made my day.
Mine too!
I’m with Nathan, Blaine and Robert.
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Though it is not my place to judge this man’s faith or lack, I do come down more on the side of when we do the will of God, it is always for his/her glory, not mine. When I do things in love for others and for the greater good, I should not be concerned that others see it and give me praise for doing it – just that it gets done. But of course getting a pat on the back every once in a while for our efforts can go along way to encourage us.
Why should he matter either way, doesn’t God have bigger fish to fry than football?
“bigger fish to fry”
Good question.
What’s God doing about the depletion of fish in the ocean?
There is a lot of work that needs to be done.
Don’t tell me He spent the whole afternoon watching football?
(Does that mean God is male?)
The thing that bothers me is that there are and have always been a lot of Christian athletes who are good role models. They even speak about their faith when asked, and at least appear to be very sincere. Yet, they get no praise from the Christian community because they don’t take a knee 20 times a game or write Bible verses on their faith. I grow weary of the idea that if you aren’t an in-your-face Christian who vocally makes every moment of everything you do about your faith, then you are somehow lesser than those who do. Anyone remember a little band called Evanessence?
Loved that group. What ever happened them?
I’m with Nathan Stehle.
I do agree that Tebow is a far better role model than an awfully lot of professional athletes, who are simply oversized children with too much money and attention. But combining religion and sports has always, always bothered me. It just doesn’t fit.
Check out my video, “Why It Should Be About Love (Jesus’s message) Not Religion (Christianity)” as I discussed Tebow in my last radio interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PShFM184HhE
I’d love to get some feedback!
@ Scott: the bit where you “love God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbour as thyself”
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