“I’m an ex-fundamentalist who misses having faith in God”

by John Shore on May 21, 2012 in Dear John · 84 comments

Got this in; thought I’d answer it.

Dear John,

I grew up in a evangelical church that did not condone questions. Questioning was of the devil, and we were to simply believe what we were taught.

I bought this hook line and sinker until, at sixteen, I had an epiphany.

While sitting in a service where my cousin was made to stand in front of the congregation and apologize for embarrassing them for getting pregnant out of wedlock, it struck me: How could this be the wishes of a loving God? If this is truly what God wanted, then God could only be petty and unkind.

Sitting there, I realized all the cruel and judgmental things I had been taught to say to my LGBT brothers and sisters, Catholics and basically anyone who wasn’t just like us. That was the moment I lost my faith. And that was the moment I walked away from Christianity entirely. From that time forward I prided myself on being a student of reason, logic and rationality.

Now, fifteen years later, I am a social worker pursuing my Master’s degree, a wife and mother of an eight-month-old. And yet, I find myself missing God, missing a church community, and missing having faith in something. How do I intertwine the two? How do I trust the Bible as the word of God, and as the only image I have of Jesus, when I know it was written hundreds of years after Jesus’ life by some dead dudes—and then some other men got together and decided what got to be included in the Bible.

How do I have faith in something when faith itself is truly irrational?

Also, I cringe when I hear the word Christian. Fear, judgement, bigotry. These are the words that have come to be associated with Christianity, and I know the truthful pain in those things. I don’t ever want to go back to that.

So, I don’t know why I’m writing this letter. For some guidance, perhaps? Some words of reason from someone who also has no time for a God only interested in punishment? Perhaps some hope that for once my questions will not go unheard?

Where do I go from here? Thank for listening.

First, faith is not at all irrational. If faith is irrational hope is irrational. Hope is faith; it’s the belief that things can get better. Without faith there is no hope.

The truth is that your life is already informed by faith. If it wasn’t, you’d have already committed suicide. (Which is why “It Gets Better” is exactly the message emotionally desperate young people need to hear.)

Your concern isn’t really that faith is irrational. Your concern is that your faith in God is irrational. Which is to say that you fear that God does not exist.

Yet you miss God. Which means for you God does exist.

Youston, you have a problem. But one that’s easily fixed.

Here’s the thing: there’s nothing in the slightest irrational about believing that God exists. In my experience atheists are generally keen on passionately arguing this point, but the fact remains that it makes no more sense to posit that there is not a God than it does to posit that there is. You can believe in God and still be a rational person. Millions of people do it every day. I do. Copernicus did. Isaac Newton did. Galileo did. Rene Descartes did. That list is endless. Belief in God informs and sustains the vast majority of people, most of whom are perfectly rational. It’s always been that way, and always will be.

Your beef isn’t with God. Your beef is with people. People have trashed your relationship to God. You were raised in a terrible church led by a terrible pastor. But that church and pastor were no more representative of God than the Mafia is representative of justice. Beneath their respective veneers of honorableness, both are thug-based organizations whose true purpose is to instill and exploit the most elemental kinds of human fears. Both organizations are sustained by effective victimization and bullying.

But so what? Bad people are everywhere amongst us. There are always going to be bad pastors, bad preachers, bad teachers, cops, nurses, accountants, doctors, farmers, tinkers, tailors, spies. The world is, and always has been, lousy with bad, mean, stupid people. You were raised in church where too many such people had way too much power. But those people aren’t you. They got it wrong. They’re twisted it all up. They were mean-spirited. They were ignorant and lazy. They urinated all over the truth and dared to call it communal bread. But you didn’t do any of that that—and when you were old enough to think for yourself had the brains to stop falling for it.

Today you have a life. You have a career, aspirations, a husband and child. And like most parents you desire for your child to grow up amidst noble ideas and ideals, inspired by admirable role models, believing in the enduring value of altruism and charity, being part of a community that is decent, supportive, productive.

Nothing wrong with that, to say the least. And a good church, run on good principals and headed by good people, brings that to the members of its family. Anyone who says differently has never been part of the life of a good church.

“Questioning is of the devil.” Holy cow, man. What else do you need to know about how severely dysfunctional was the church in which you were raised? You teach a kid that it’s evil to question, and you might as well sign that kid up for a full frontal lobotomy. His brain will never be any good to him anyway.

You just need to find a good church, is all. That’s it. That’s your whole challenge. Find a church you like; start going; at some point start bringing your child. Boom. You’re good.

Don’t deny yourself the comfort and knowledge of God just because your parents chose to raise you in a bad church. I say let God back into your heart, and start again. Try it, if nothing else. See how it works for you. Why not?

Dare to be irrational! With God.

And yes, the New Testament was written and compiled after Christ died. The whole Bible is exceptionally dense, intensely complex, and informed by all sorts of stuff that is profoundly difficult if not outright impossible to grasp. But life is exceptionally dense, intensely complex, and informed by all sorts of stuff that is profoundly difficult if not outright impossible to grasp. So they go together really well.


 

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Dana September 1, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Hi John,
I love your response to this woman! In a couple of your articles I’ve disagreed with you on several points. But, I think you answered this letter brilliantly. I too was raised in a fundamentalist church that taught some ridiculous concepts. In my child-mind I accepted these, but as I grew older, and, thankfully, my parents changed churches, I learned about the grace of God, His mercy and His overwhelming love for mankind. I just think that your response to tell her to give it another try is an excellent response. The right church can make all the difference! I hope she finds everything she needs from God. And also to give back. I’ve found that my faith is so much fuller since I’ve started finding places to help others.

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Jill August 20, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Argghhh…wrestle wrestle wrestle. Holding out hope that this does get easier, even if the faith part is still uncertain. It’s finding the trust within that we’re all in the same boat together, but that most of us are not trying to shove anyone overboard.

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Dennis Gilbert July 5, 2012 at 9:27 am

John, I really appreciate your giving folks like this a place to pour out their thoughts, their fears, and their questions on faith. I also left the Catholic faith as a teenager, having reached a point where I could not reconcile the Jesus I knew in my heart with the way women in particular are treated by the church. 20 yrs. later, I started attending a United Church of Christ congregation, my wife’s home church. I found a home with a group of people who lived out their faith in the way I always thought was the way “Christians” should, with compassion, with an extravagant welcome to all who come to the table of reconciliation, of hope, and of peace.
For the last 2 1/2 years I have been the pastor of a small UCC country church in Illinois, so I also know that God has a delightful sense of humor. I can’t promise this writer that every UCC will offer what she is looking for, but it would be a great place to start. We have been called on occasion the “church of bleeding-heart liberals”, and I’m cool with that. All of our churches have their own polity, and I would urge her to try visiting one of our churches to experience the joy and the hope I found. We say in the UCC “Never place a period where God has placed a COMMA! God is STILL speaking”. I think God is not finished…that he has plenty to tell us, and to guide us. I pray she is able to find what she is looking for.
Thank you once again for this forum.

PS- Love the T-Shirt! Thanks!

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yaknow May 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm

ooooooohhh

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CDR Charles Franklin, US Navy (retired) May 22, 2012 at 11:51 am

I don’t know if the author of the letter will read this, but I hope so. I went to a fundamentalist Baptist church as a teenager, then to a Christian college. After graduation I decided to become a missionary. While traveling around the country speaking at different (fundamentalist) churches, I discovered how callous, cruel, indifferent, bigoted, and many other things about these kind of Christians. In spite of the fact I had wonderful experiences growing up and in college, I could not stay in a system that was as warped as I discovered it to be. I left the church and everything associated with it at age 26. I joined the Navy and had a great career with them as a public affairs officer until retirement, followed by several years working as a civilian public relations professional. I am now fully retired and disabled. I moved back to the home I grew up in and now have many many friends here. However, at times I too have missed the SOCIAL aspects of being in a church. It is an easy place to meet people of kindred souls (sometimes) and develop close relationships with others. There are only a few secular organizations which provide the same opportunities. I also miss the music. I have gone to a few LGBT-accepting churches, but found that my lack of faith made it sort of an empty experience, in spite of great music and social life. So, where am I now? I am fully comfortable knowing that NONE of the religions in the world have it right. It is simply impossible. That so many co-exist points to their fallability. I am a humble admirer of the cosmos however. If anything gives me solace, it is that for a very very brief slice of time, I have been a conscious part of the enormous universe which consists of so many wondrous and unexplainable (so far) entities and characteristics. Here at my country home, I can go out at night and look at the stars and feely truly blessed that I can understand to some degree where I fit in. I know where my home planet is located, I know my sun and the solar system we are in, I know which galaxy my solar system is in, and I know a little about where our galaxy is relative to others. I also know how old the universe is. I know some about the history of humans on earth–most of it not very pretty. We seem to be one of the worst species on the planet. We fight with and kill each other off in amazing numbers. In some respects, it is a miracle we sitll exist. But in spite of the fact I am one of these humans, I know where I “fit” in the universe and I know also that I DON’T know if there is a spiritual entity called God behind it all. If there is, then this God is nothing like the mean-spirited, jealous, wrathful God preached by so many Christians, Muslims, and others. In spite of the fact Jesus said God is love, this point has eluded most Christians. I am content simply to try to love others as best I can, to fight against the human impulses I have of anger, getting even, jealousy, and so forth. After so many years of trying to figure out which religion is the right one, and then which congregation within that religion is the right one, and which person to believe, which not to believe, I have peace knowing that most likely, in all probability, none of them are right. Religion does not hold the answer for me and never will again. This makes me content to explore other aspects and msyteries of the universe.

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Jill August 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm

Is it true then that organizations, assuming ones with hierarchies, destroy the bigger message of unity with the grasping for power or control? I see so many people saying nearly the exact same thing (as I do)– about holding a solitary faith and an unrealized desire for community.

I’ve come to see in myself that a toxic community is no longer worth the damage, but a community of one is no longer fulfilling enough. Wow I’m not strong enough just yet to try again, only to fall flat. I’m on guard, and that’s no way to earn and reciprocate trust. I still expect the worst, and that’s my biggest downfall right now for starting over. IDK thinking out loud.

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Mark May 22, 2012 at 11:28 am

To whom it may concern
Love can be an addiction, just like any drug. I had an ex-girlfriend who cheated on me and dumped me via e-mail. And guess what. I still think about her everyday and dream about getting back together. I hope if I were to ever meet her again, I do to the rational thing and walk away.

So please realize you are dealing with an addiction and pathology. It might be best to seek professional help.
Don’t get back into an unhealthy relationship.

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Amy Mitchell via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 11:16 am

No time to post a longer comment, but this made my day. It really resonated.

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Valerie May 22, 2012 at 11:03 am

My own epiphany didn’t happen until I was out of the church. In fact I felt the church I grew up in was wonderful! But the last 15 years I have watched as the people I went to church with for so many years have changed to the kind of fundamental scariness that so many have reported witnessing. I don’t remember my church being that way and I have not been in its doors for quite some time and now I don’t think I can. I still hold to my faith and I share it with my children but I don’t want them exposed to the hate and fear mongering that the modern Christian church has started spouting. I remember growing up and being saddened when I heard of a church that had taken things too far but now it is so mainstream and frightening! We need to take back our faith and our churches from the zealots who make everything sound so black and white.

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nai May 22, 2012 at 10:09 am

I too used to be raised in a “fundamentalist” church. I was Pentecostal and although the services were always interesting (the loud singing, praising God) I ultimately rejected the hate filled messages. I have yet to find a comfortable church-either the theology is kind of off (I am extremely progressive) or the worship service is geared towards older, anglo-saxons. But honestly, right now I am finding my community via those passionate in social justice whether they are christians, atheists, etc.

And as a religious studies major (historical-critical understanding of the Bible, which views it more as a human construct rather than as a divine product) I find that the Christianity I have embraced is much more richer, and complex than the one espoused by my fundamentalist church. I don’t believe Jesus is the only way to God, nor do I think that the majority of what is written in the Bible is historical fact, however, I do find a lot in the Bible that speaks to “truth.” The truth of human nature (both the good, the ugly, etc). I especially hold tight to the social justice components of the bible. I no longer care about whether or not “god” as an external force exists. For me, “god” or the divine is love and I embrace any action, thought or person (regardless of their religious beliefs or lack therefore) who embraces love. For me, Jesus passion for others is what draws me to him and why I consider myself a “christian” even if in the traditional sense I am more of a heretic…

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Shelly Dunham Griswold via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 5:21 am

I felt very much like this until I found a wonderful UCC congregation I now call home!

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Shelly Dunham Griswold via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 5:21 am

I felt very much like this until I found a wonderful UCC congregation I now call home!

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Don Rappe May 21, 2012 at 9:09 pm

There is a part of this woman’s story that reminds me of my own. Toward the middle of my “rational only” years a friend who was listening to my past biography of belief, asked me if I didn’t now feel much better and free-er. He couldn’t understand that I felt the change as one of darkness and gloom. While I still reject every superstitious interpretation of the faith that was once delivered to the saints, the coming again of my faith has lightened many dark corners. Much of the meaning of life for me is based on the symbols I learned as a child, including God, Christ, Angels and the coming of the Day of the Lord as the end of history. I realize now that all reality is mediated to my conscious and unconscious soul by symbols which I choose because of their power of expression. This includes also mathematical symbols and mythical beings such as photons, electrons and quarks which help me to understand whatever aspect of reality on which I focus my attention .

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Don Rappe May 21, 2012 at 9:18 pm

Please pardon my closing non-sentence.

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Linnea May 21, 2012 at 8:45 pm

Another denomination well worth checking out is the Unitarian Universalist Church. Each church is independent, therefore slightly different. However, they all adhere to the same basic principles. The philosophy draws on all major faiths, as well as the humanist tradition and earth-based spirtualities. The best part is, they don’t try to tell anyone what to believe. In fact, they encourage questioning and helping you to figure out what works for *you*. Some UU’s define themselves as liberal Christians, some come from a Jewish background, some are agnostic or even atheist.

A word of caution, though. Don’t jump into a tradition just to believe *something*. Give yourself time to work through some of your pain and fear, and whatever tradition you choose, go slowly. It may also help to talk to the pastor of whatever church you do settle on. Let him or her know that you are coming out of a hurtful, abusive religious experience, and see what he or she recommends. Good pastors are used to hearing this sort of thing, and will be glad to help. I can tell you that there are plenty like you out here… I’m one of them. My experience wasn’t as bad as yours, but it was hurtful enough.

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Nicole May 21, 2012 at 8:37 pm

John, thanks for just being you. You encourage a lot of us. Thank you! *hug*

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Jackson Hearn via Facebook May 21, 2012 at 8:37 pm

I am glad you reposted this, because in my opinion, there is more light and life and hope in her letter and your response than in the strikingly terrible video of that ‘preacher’ in North Carolina. Yes, people need to see and hear his misinformed rantings, but we need to focus more on faith, and those who are looking for it. Thanks.

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Dianne Rizzo via Facebook May 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Solid advice, well written. I am so glad she used her God given intellect to deduce God’s true nature. God is missing her also! (If I may be so bold as to speak for God! ).

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Sarita Brown May 21, 2012 at 9:32 pm

god can’t miss her. God is in her. That’s what mainstream Christianity misses :
God is WITH us.

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Sarita Brown May 21, 2012 at 9:35 pm

now missing a faith community (or more difficultly, finding one -) yes, sisters and brothers, THAT is hard.

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Jill July 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm

Sarita, yes and yes to both of your responses.
A faith community based on respect of–even the love of–differences is what seems to be coming up slowly in pockets and blogspaces. I’m only just finding out where my faith journey is leading me now. And I like to believe that community no longer is constrained by four walls and a church placard. It’s where you make it.

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Kirsten A.S. Mebust via Facebook May 21, 2012 at 7:58 pm

Good piece.

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Robin Cliver via Facebook May 21, 2012 at 7:50 pm

You do NOT need a church or people to be with every sunday morning, evening or wednesday. the best gift you have is Eternal life through Jesus and if you accepted him into your heart and life…he is yours forever. So, be at peace with that and just live each day knowing Christ loves you and he lives in you.

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Robin Cliver via Facebook May 21, 2012 at 7:50 pm

You do NOT need a church or people to be with every sunday morning, evening or wednesday. the best gift you have is Eternal life through Jesus and if you accepted him into your heart and life…he is yours forever. So, be at peace with that and just live each day knowing Christ loves you and he lives in you.

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Sarah Strong via Facebook May 21, 2012 at 7:46 pm

good call. whew.

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Sara May 22, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Here’s my advice; don’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Live in faith in what God tells you, not necessarily what man tells you. We’ve all only got part of the answer, if not a complete misunderstanding. It’s not God that’s the problem. God is beyond our understainding most of the time. Keep the faith. God’s all about love.

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