NC pastor: “Let’s put all the queers and lesbians behind electric fences and let them die.” [VIDEO]

by John Shore on May 21, 2012 in Christian Issues · 418 comments

[UPDATE #1: One of Pastor Worley's disturbing flock defends him [Brain-frying VIDEO]

[UPDATE #2: Some ninety minutes after posting the below, all the contact information on the website for Providence Road Baptist Church was removed. But don't let that stop you from emailing Pastor Charles "Let 'em fry or die" Worley at pastor@prbcnc.com. ]

[UPDATE #3:  Monday, 8:15 p.m.: The PRBC website has gone away. Along with its FB page. And Worleys e-mail account. Ka-boom.]

Meet Pastor Charles Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church (“The Home of old time Religion”), located at 3283 Providence Mill Rd, Maiden, NC 28650. In this video excerpt from one of his recent Sunday morning sermons, Pastor Worley offers his thoughtful suggestion for resolving the debate over gay rights.

The good pastor’s idea for “gettin’ rid of all the lesbians and queers” is to build “a great big large fence” around all the gay people, electrify it, and then allow the people penned in by the fence to die.

Pffft. And people thought the gay issue would be difficult to solve.

Of course, Pastor Worley, being a man of the cloth, is hardly inured from compassion. He makes this very clear with his suggestion that we “fly over and drop some food” to the masses of imprisoned gay people. So it’s not like he wants them to just starve to death. That would be cruel. This is, after all, a Christian leader bound by the love of Jesus, not a morally repugnant, astoundingly ignorant, semi-literate, hate-filled meathead who wouldn’t know Jesus Christ from Cujo.

Pastor Worley just wants all gay people to live behind an electric fence until they grow old and die. And who doesn’t want to be fed for free until they die of old age? It’s like social security—but with electricity. And less travel. And food falling on your head.

Pastor Worley also wants to separate all the gay men from all the gay women: he wants to keep two separate electrified pens. Because (one assumes) otherwise some of the gay men might sleep with some of the gay women. And we all know what that would mean: gay babies. And then where would it all end? We only have so much money to spend on fences, airplane fuel and food that bounces. So, in this one instance, separate but equal would have to work.

If you have any thoughts or suggestions about his extremely novel social experiment, please do not hesitate to share them with Pastor Worley, at pastor@prbcnc.com. I’m sure he’d be glad to hear from each and every one of you.

After all, if you can’t count on Christian pastors to be open to new thoughts and ideas, what good are they?

 

A quick comment about why I gave Pastor “let ‘em fry or die” any time at all.


 

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L. Martin February 14, 2013 at 8:17 pm

From one pastro to another…….Jesus would be so proud of you…….NOT!

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TheIntellectualGerbil July 14, 2012 at 12:17 pm

oh for heavens sake someone go fetch that man a few S’s and T’s …

“the bilbe’s again.. it, god’s again.. it, i’m again.. it, and if you’ve got any sence you’re again.. it!”

this kind of hillbilly talk just makes me cringe.

now for the real issue:

put certain people behind a fence to have them “removed”? i am from austria, some 75 years ago, a small man named adolf with a rediculous mustache, rather over the top hand gestures and a loud voice was born here. he had similar ideas. someone send pastor worley over here it would be my pleasure to to show him the remains of what talk like this can lead to …

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Translator May 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Meh, I’m a poor student, so I guess if I could hook up my netbook to the electric fence, a wifi connection, plenty of gay ladies and free food, I already have a better prospect than that offered by the job market.

It would also provide me with lots of time -well, minus the womanizing- to learn how to hack his ass.

:)

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n. May 25, 2012 at 8:11 pm

I only wish the fences were that kind of electric.
Although hacking anything is an interesting (in a good way) response to oppression.

Wasn’t aware that lesbians “womanize” each other. somehow i thought it would have a different name, although i have no idea why it should… LOL

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n. May 25, 2012 at 8:12 pm

Sorry that was missing a preposition. Womanize *with* each other?

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Translator May 26, 2012 at 5:37 am

My grandad was an electrician specialized in high-voltage, so I guess I should revise what he taught me ;) .

I guess it is “womanizing with each other”. I don’t even know if it is said “officially” for lesbians, but oh well, I guess we could always start a new convention xd.

Nice comment!

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mitch wagoner May 23, 2012 at 8:06 pm

Once again, it’s not looking good for North Carolina. Love this state but it’s hard to except the stupid people that live here.
First of all, where’s he coming from that if you put all gay’s behind a fence they are gone??? Gay’s are not born from gay people…. Hello!!!! They come from Hetersexual folks if I remember correctedly…. So, put gays behind a fence but there will be more , and they will come up and bite you in the ass again. I know, I would… I’m a homo..

But, I don’t hate him, just wish they would take the tax exempt status away, as they should with all churches that decided they want go into politics…

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 8:43 pm

I know what you mean. I feel the same way about the state of Texas. Love my state; the politics and majority discrimination against gay people, not so much. And I’m with you on the tax thing. They totally deserve to lose their status.

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Krista Macdonald May 23, 2012 at 6:51 pm

His email address is no longer valid. But here is my
Message to him:

Jesus was a beautiful, wonderful and kind man that loved everyone unconditionally. You are a disgusting man that should be banned from preaching hate and filth. The sin of hatred leads to hell. Have a nice trip and when you get there enjoy looking up and watching all the “homosexuals” dancing with Peter through the pearly gates!

Krista MacDonald
Sent from my iPhone. 

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Anne May 23, 2012 at 2:19 pm

I sent Pr. Worley a nice little notecard, in a pink envelope. I thanked him for his hate-filled, ignorant, illogical sermon because it galvanized me into action (actually, further action but who’s counting?)

I’m sure he’ll be thrilled to when he reads that part of my tithe will now support pro-LGBT organizations.

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mike moore May 23, 2012 at 9:40 am

@Rick Garner … I wish the world worked in a way that your advice could be taken.

These people reject our love and kindness. I can promise you the LGBT community did not draw first blood here nor are we suggesting he be lynched and his church burnt to the ground, though I would shed no tears were that to happen.

However, we cannot ignore him. I know this is overly dramatic, but I have to compare this Jews in Germany prior to and during WWII.

First, ignore the rhetoric.

Second, find yourself living under laws (Amendment One, Prop 8, anti-sodomy laws) that remove your personal freedoms.

Third, find yourself living in concentration camps.

I don’t expect such a Nazi-esque scenario to happen here in the USA in the 21st C.

But … neither can I “ignore” people like Worley, the Catholic Church, the Mormons, and the evangelical community while they strip my civil rights away, as was done here in NC two weeks ago.

And frankly, for you to even suggest that I ignore the fact people like Worley have, once again, and as has happened in so many states, invalidated my marriage by a popular vote … well, what you’re suggesting is, frankly, downright offensive.

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n. May 23, 2012 at 10:17 am

yeah it’s like the ppl who say “ignore the bullies and they will go away”, sure they will. after they beat the crap out of you.

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n. May 23, 2012 at 10:17 am

and it’s not like they won’t be back later… and/or replaced by more bullies. so ignoring them is false advice.

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Rick Garner May 23, 2012 at 10:46 am

And go after someone with burning torches and pitch forks – rather literally or with words – is Christ-like? Responding to hate with hate is not productive. It’s often overall emotional and irrational. It feels good but accomplishes little.

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 11:00 am

You actually think we’re condoning outright violence against him? Of course not. We’re protesting his vicious behavior, and a peaceful protest has been arranged for this Sunday.

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Diana A. May 23, 2012 at 11:08 am

Oh good. I’m glad!

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mike moore May 23, 2012 at 12:21 pm

Rick, this is one where I wish we were in a jovial bar over cocktails. I’m going to sound way more heavy-handed – and hateful – than I want to, but I’ve got to put it out there:

Have you been attacked on the street? I have. Have you had someone, quite literally, try to murder you? I have.

And I learned something, which should, perhaps, be dismaying to me, but isn’t.

I am not Christ-like. I am not Ghandi or Martin. I am not non-violent. What I am is 6′ and 230lbs, (and no, it’s not all muscle… when did my abs become so reclusive?) and what I have is the ability to stop violence in its tracks, with my fist.

I learned that when someone gets a big-time smack-down, literally or figuratively, they stop attacking you and trying to kill you.

Politically, I’ve learned that when you shut down the Golden Gate Bridge during morning rush hour, or chain yourself together in the office of the FDA, or throw burning trash cans through the glass doors of a Federal Building … everyone will tell you how counterproductive you’re being … but then, like magic, AIDS research funding happens and sodomy laws go away.

I learned that when you shave, and put on a suit and tie, and find yourself looking directly and unflinchingly into the eyes of certain US Senators, Congressman, and former Presidents, while shaking their hands … with piercing (hateful?) dislike clearly written on your face … and tell them their actions are despicable and hurting real people … they get very nervous. They’re so insulated, they forget they actions are real. And then they get the message. And then, sometimes, when they’re on Meet the Press or Stephanopoulos, they’re not quite so hard-line. They’ve become a little more human. They have a little more empathy they had the week before.

Is all of that meeting hate with hate? Yeah, on my bad days, I suppose it is. But so far, it’s accomplished a lot.

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Gordon May 24, 2012 at 7:27 am

Well said, Mike. Were you involved with Act Up? I lived in San Francisco from 1986-2004. I remember the gay community wringing its hands and clucking about Act Up actually doing more harm than good…until things started to change. And Act Up played a huge part in stimulating debate and bringing about that change.

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mike moore May 24, 2012 at 10:28 am

I’d bet we knew each! I had a home in SF between 84-’02 and was involved in activism on several levels … Act-Up, Queer Nation, DIFFA, HRC, Project Open Hand (my husband helped finance Ruth Brinker’s first big commercial kitchen, one of the things we’re most proud of in our lives.) We were also registered Republicans (the folly of youth and family ties, don’t hate us … but we were never Log Cabin) and created lots of havoc inside the party until we finally threw in the towel and went Indie. I was an interior and furniture designer and had “mike furniture” on Fillmore Street.

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Gordon May 24, 2012 at 2:20 pm

I am actually sitting on my Mike Furniture sofa as I write this! What a small world. I asked my husband Reed if he knew a Mike Moore from San Francisco and he said, “Yes! He owned the store where we bought our living room furniture.” I didn’t know you were such a bad-ass activist! I love my furniture even more now!

xoxo

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mike moore May 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm

how brilliant, I love this small little planet!

and, oh yeah, big trouble-makers … NY Times reported on boycott of my company by Southern Baptist Convention, saying, “those in a mike ad are no less naked than those in an Armani or Calvin Klein campaign. The difference is a refreshing shift from pouts and disinterest. mike’s models appear to enjoy having sex …” I was like a proud Dad that day! Good to know my furniture is standing up to the test of time! say “hey” to my old town.

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Gordon May 24, 2012 at 4:02 pm

Sorry…I left in 2004. I left my heart there, though. We’ll go back someday…as soon as we can get this Atlanta noose off of our necks.

Write to me if you want to: gherzog@earthlink.net

n. May 24, 2012 at 7:38 am

[APPLAUSE]

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DR May 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm

Are you actually suggesting that anger is inappropriate in this situation? Anger is an activating agent. It moves people to action. It wakes people up, as a matter of fact sometimes it’s the only thing that wakes us up.

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Allie May 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm

Have you ever bothered to read the words of Christ? He wasn’t shy about using strong language when the situation called for it, and he took out after some people with a cat-o-nine tails once.

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n. May 24, 2012 at 7:39 am

not countering hate with hate. countering hate with action? i guess. others have said it better by now.

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Susan May 23, 2012 at 12:10 pm

I have to beg to differ, I do think that history can repeat itself by allowing persecutions against races, Homosexuals, etc… because if you step foot into a history class now days it’s not taught about WW II and German and Hitler.

These kinds of people should never be ignored, they should be put on every news channel in the states, to show their hatred, their bigotry, their self-loathing.

This ‘preacher’ must hate a lot of people to preach such hate from the pulpit, either that, or he is hiding a secret life , such as the likes we aren’t likely to see.

What a sad commentary, and what a sad existance this so called preacher must live.

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Mike H May 23, 2012 at 9:16 am

Yup – figured we’d be hearing from his congregation soon

“He had every right to say what he said about putting them in a pen and giving them food,” Sims explained. “The Bible says they are worthy of death. He is preaching God’s word.”

Church member Stacey Pritchard agreed that Worley was just speaking the truth.

“Sometimes you’ve got to be scared straight,” she said. “He is trying to save those people from Hell.””

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/23/church-member-defends-nc-pastor-lgbt-people-worthy-of-death/

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Mike H May 23, 2012 at 9:18 am

Meanwhile, elsewhere in NC:

KKK invites NC residents to ‘whites only’ cross burning.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/22/kkk-invites-nc-residents-to-whites-only-cross-burning/

Y’know…If spewing hatred, religious intolerance and polluting the environment for profit are your most cherished “freedoms”, why not just pool all your money together and create your own goddamn country?

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Christelle May 23, 2012 at 9:32 am

Although I’ve known that racism and bigotry still exist – up until recently (being from Cali and I guess slightly sheltered from the extremes) I really thought our country was overcoming… These people need a deprogramming…

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n. May 23, 2012 at 10:09 am

that was supposed to be SC, in fact my family moved here for that reason. (*_*)

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Christelle May 23, 2012 at 9:29 am

Hitler and just about every other tyrant throughout history used scripture as their basis as well… but, I believe we’ve already discussed that point.

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Rick Garner May 23, 2012 at 8:12 am

This type of talk saddens me and is deplorable. Yet, encouraging the same sort of speech in return isn’t the answer. This man needs prayer. My suspicion is that his personality would thrive off of negative or visceral feedback…thinking that’s exactly how “rebels” would respond.

I think it’s better to either not stoop to their level and respond to them in kindness or love or to simply ignore.

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 8:21 am

We can’t just ignore this. (See my comment to Chris.) He doesn’t deserve kindness because he is perpetuating and encouraging violence against the gay community. He is a criminal and needs to be silenced once and for all.

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DR May 23, 2012 at 8:31 am

Sorry I meant Rick, not Tim.

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 9:04 am

Not Chris. Craig Roeper.

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DR May 23, 2012 at 8:31 am

Tim it’s time to acknowledge these types of men and women for what they actually *are* as well as the people who give their money, this is not a matter of just speech and tone, that’s just the 5% of what is inside of them. This is deeply rooted, vile and vulgar hearts that have given themselves over willingly to delusional evil. They never cared about our opinion incthe first place, nor does he now.

These people don’t change. They just need to be stopped. They need to be outed, shamed and exposed and lose their tax exempt status and when we are able to make this kind of speech illegal, prosecuted.

And frankly, the Nathan’s of the world who pop on the forum who feel so badly about this kind of hung yet at the end of the day are stil totally committed to his church that at its root, is anti-gay? Where is he ?? Where are they?? They all just disappear. So stop the lectures. We are way, way beyond lectures to be kind.

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Lymis May 23, 2012 at 11:38 am

What have you heard here that constitutes “stooping to their level?” I haven’t seen anyone calling for him to be rounded up and imprisoned in the hopes that he’ll die from it.

Calling out someone’s hateful actions is hardly the same as condemning innocent people who didn’t do anything to him in the first place. Anyone who does advocate violence or imprisonment for him is wrong. I don’t see much of that. Who’s even encouraging it?

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DR May 23, 2012 at 12:58 pm

The more I think about your response, the angrier I get. This is the kind of conditioning those of us who are Christian have completely bought into – that somehow it is more Christlike to *ignore* this kind of behavior instead of getting angry about it and allowing that anger to move us to action, to repair and to prevention.

*This* is what is the most dangerous thing in Christianity right now, it’s those of us who are reasonable and educated and have allowed ourselves to be lulled into passivity because we don’t understand the difference between being angry and being mean.

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Gordon May 23, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Amen!

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vj May 26, 2012 at 6:47 am

“move us to action, to repair and to prevention”

Especially since the Bible REPEATEDLY tells the followers of God to defend the cause of the weak (aliens, widows, orphans, poor) – which cannot be achieved just by thinking nice thoughts, but must be actively pursued and worked for.

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Bob May 23, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Has it occurred to anyone that this type of behavior is often found in gay men in denial? Chuck was probably whacked by his parents every time he showed physical affection to other little boys, and had hateful garbage like this taught to him his entire life!

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Soulmentor May 23, 2012 at 7:18 am

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

I have evangelical type siblings who would not condone this man’s rhetoric and behavior. They would even agree that it is wrong and not christian….. but who would say and do nothing to counter it. I’ve told them repeatedly how that silence makes them complicit in it, how that gives societal permission for it. Worley’s diatribe followed the NC ant-gay marriage constitutional amendment vote. Can anyone doubt that vote outcome gave him permission to spew his rant?
The people of NC can look to him for a clear picture of the fruits of their fear-and- ignorance-produced bigotry, and to themselves for ways to root it out before grows strong enuf to become actually murderous.
Expect precisely that kind of activity to increase in NC. That vote paved the way for open season on homosexuals.

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Gordon May 23, 2012 at 5:15 am

Why? Why must we? Walk a mile in my shoes and then we’ll see what you have to say. Soooo not in the mood for straight, sanctimonious scolders today. Or any other day, frankly.

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Gordon May 23, 2012 at 8:26 am

Shoot! This was supposed to be a reply to something Craig Roper posted earlier. Bad tablet! Bad! Not only do you not post where I tell you too, you keep taking me to Amazon.com and try to sell me another Kindle! Stop it!

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n. May 23, 2012 at 8:35 am

i know, right?! my android tablet keeps doing that on this site, too. i wish John Shore’s web guy could make it not do that. i think it’s something about how the links are made… somehow on a tablet the side panels overlap with the middle panel or something.

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vj May 23, 2012 at 8:39 am

It’s very hard to design a website that works equally well on a laptop/desktop AND on a tablet….

I think this website looks wonderful (and functions beautifully) on my laptop ;-)

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n. May 23, 2012 at 8:57 am

i know… and there are so many different tablets out there that it might be kind of complex to test it.
i just sometimes wish i had a real computer at home… but then it would be kind of a waste to have a tablet.

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Diana A. May 23, 2012 at 11:11 am

I have the same problem with my DROID phone. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!

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Chris May 23, 2012 at 5:07 am

As a Christian from North Carolina… this deeply saddens me. This man does NOT represent our state.

I predict he gets taken down. More and more is being dug up on him. Check this out from 1978.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/18598588/controversial-sermon-goes-viral-30-year-old-anti-gay-sermon-found

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mike moore May 23, 2012 at 6:43 am

Chris, I’m two posts below you, but I guess you missed my comment. I live in Asheville.

1,300,000 people voted for Amendment One, 60% of NC voters.

1,300,000 people feel they – just like Pastor Worley – should have the right to FORCE ME BY LAW to live as a second class citizen, according to their largely religious-based values.

1,300,000 people feel they have the right to MAKE NULL AND VOID MY LEGAL MARRIAGE.

1,300,000 accepted the arguments presented by North Carolina’s mainstream elected legislators – YOU KNOW, THE GUYS WHO PUT AMENDMENT ONE ON THE BALLOT.

1,300,000 voters sided with the vile “Reverend” – and I use that term loosely and grudgingly – Billy Graham, his vile children, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Catholic Church, the Mormon church, and the evangelical community.

Worley may express more extreme views than his counterparts, but when it comes to treating the LGBT community like friends, neighbors, and people who are American citizens, with all the accompanying rights and privileges, he is not so different at all.

PASTOR WORLEY? I KNOW WHERE HE STANDS.

THE PEOPLE WHO SMILE AND SAY “WE’RE NOT BIGOTS, WE LOVE YOU!” AND PRETEND TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND STOP AND PET MY DOG? THEY’RE THE ONES WHO VOTED MY HUSBAND AND I INTO A LEGAL CORAL THAT DENIES OUR RIGHT TO THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND … PASTOR WORLEY REVEALS THIS STATE’S TRUE FACE AND PERFECTLY REPRESENTS THIS STATE.

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Mike H May 23, 2012 at 8:07 am

Great post, Mike. Ties the reality up very consisely.

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Gordon May 23, 2012 at 8:37 am

I have a friend who lives in Eastern North Carolina. She wrote to me and said she was tired of people trashing her state and she didn’t think it was fair. It’s one thing to be embarrassed for your state. I live in Georgia…I know how that feels. It is another thing entirely to feel like people are trashing you unfairly because you “know so many good people who were against this law” and all the other things we’ve read about over the past few weeks. Bottom line is that this abomination passed overwhelmingly and all NC people have to own that.

I was heartened that this awful act at the NC ballot box finally spurred the national board of the NAACP to declare their overwhelming support for marriage equality. (Only two directors voted no out of more than 60.) African American evangelicals have made some really sick alliances with Mormon and Catholic groups to oppose marriage equality all across the country. Hopefully the NAACP can remind them of what would happen if civil rights were put to a popular vote in many states…even today.

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DR May 23, 2012 at 8:35 am

Sorry but he actually does represent your state. The majority of people in North Carolina just voted this sentiment in. I don’t mean to be harsh but this is exactly the perception of Norh Carolina. I’m repulsed by this state this morning though certainly respect and support those of you there who are fighting against this kind of thing, that takes a lot of courage.

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Brad Williams via Facebook May 23, 2012 at 3:33 am

Not what the man said, it’s because they can’t reproduce you moron!

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mike moore May 22, 2012 at 9:13 pm

Two weeks ago, 1.3million North Carolinians (60% of voters) told me my 26 year relationship is not worthy of marriage.

Pastor Worley is just a crazy amateur.

Who would you be more afraid of?

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n. May 23, 2012 at 5:51 am

But they got that way partly because of “leaders” leading them to that way of thinking.
It’s not like NC has less sheeple than other states.
I *don’t* mean at all that they are innocent, but this dufus represents a system of “education” that turns people against you.
Like some others pointed out earlier, it’s not like he’s the *only* preacher talking like this from the pulpit with some regularity. He’s just one that got caught on tape.

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DR May 23, 2012 at 8:36 am

Exactly

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Gail Livingston via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 8:52 pm

His church needs to have its tax-exempt status removed. All too many preachers are getting into politics. This guy is dangerous.

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Kate Nunnya via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 8:18 pm

His email has been taken down too

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Soulmentor May 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm

To think that a “christian” minister would voice something so preposterously evil……well, I simply don’t know how to respond. I’m guessing someone at that church got a grip and shut things down……hopefully the pastor along with the comm tech.

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vj May 23, 2012 at 5:44 am

“something so preposterously evil”

This is actually one of the things that helped persuade me that homosexuality is not necessarily inherently sinful – if the proposed cure is so un-godly, perhaps the supposed problem is not really an issue…. The viciousness of the anti-gay rhetoric spouted by so many supposed “Christians” is SO obviously un-Christlike, it makes me think that the source cannot possibly be the Jesus I know – who DIED for ALL. It strikes me as more likely to be a tactic of the enemy, to drive people away from God :-(

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Lymis May 23, 2012 at 6:26 am

No, actually, the web provider did it.

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Christelle May 22, 2012 at 7:09 pm

I officially donated $$$ to The Trevor Project and The Harvey Milk Foundation (In honor of Harvey M’s BDAY TODAY!) in Worley’s name… From now on, this is how I fight back :o )

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Christelle May 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm

not my idea, btw… awesome idea posted on thegodarticle.com

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KellyK May 23, 2012 at 4:44 am

I did the same with Truth Wins Out and the Gay Christian Alliance.

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Mike H May 23, 2012 at 8:28 am

We did similarly. Yours and other related activities have been perhaps, the single-best response to this clown, not to mention those NC’inians who voted for Amendment One.

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Christelle May 23, 2012 at 9:48 am
Wayne Johnson via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 6:56 pm

Worley is a psychopath, like many other preachers. I do not look down on psychopaths.

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mike moore May 23, 2012 at 6:46 am

You should look down on this one.

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Lymis May 23, 2012 at 7:24 am

Why in the world not?

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Mike H May 23, 2012 at 8:31 am

Serial killers are psychopaths. You just what, look the other way so as to avoid being, “judgemental”?

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Gordon May 23, 2012 at 8:45 am

Here’s a definition of psychopath I found online: A person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

I look down on psychopaths, or anyone else for that matter, who are in positions where their pathological behavior presents a clear and present danger. And make no mistake, the words this guy and thousands like him spew from their tax-exempt pulpits every week all across this country are dangerous.

There is something preposterous to me about many of these posts here recommending understanding and tolerance for this man.

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n. May 23, 2012 at 8:56 am

my gut feeling? i would tend to think that it is their choice to be that way, despite my doubt in below comment… but i have to put my doubt, too, because i don’t know the science behind [whatever]pathy.

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Christelle May 23, 2012 at 9:18 am

Wow, I know (knew) alot of pastor’s/ church leaders who perfectly fit that definition. I worked in a seminary several years ago in which it was mandatory for every student to take personality profile tests (MMPI)… if there was an area that raised alarm, suggestions were made such as counseling, therapy, etc. If I remember correctly, extreme cases resulted in the boot out of the program… First, I think every person that wears the title “Pastor/Rev/Bishop/etc” should go to seminary. Second, every seminary should administer personality profile tests to their students. Third, every seminary should include manditory counseling classes from the psychology department which would earn them an actual counseling degree along with their MDIV or Theology degree (I don’t believe in ‘pastoral’ counseling’ – it’s not professional/ way too subjective)… I could go on…Just my two cents for now.

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Christelle May 23, 2012 at 9:22 am

btw, I say ‘seminary’ should be a requirement because too many pastors simply go to their denominational Bible college where they learn info that has been regurgitated for generations… thus passing along a continuous line of poison to be taught from the pulpit… I guess if I was in charge, I would also create a criteria for emotionally ‘healthy seminaries’. But, I’m not… so there you have it

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n. May 23, 2012 at 10:11 am

some churches have no requirements whatsoever.

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Christelle May 23, 2012 at 10:19 am

sigh… yeah, I know…

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n. May 23, 2012 at 8:54 am

now they are saying that Psychopath (and/or Sociopath) is a mental/developmental disability?
there was an article lately about “why do people not pity [whatever]paths’ families but they do pity families of autistics.” um, yeah, as an asperger adult, so much wrong with that question! (“hello, because WE’re not EVIL?!” springs to mind, as does “we don’t need pity and neither do our parents”)…

but, that might be where he’s coming from on this?

i don’t know enough about neurology to answer what one should think of [psycho/socio]paths. i think it must depend on the level of personal responsability… ie: is it a CHOICE, did they allow or cause themselves to get that way? cos what we learned about same sex orientation, if it’s not a choice, how could it be a sin?!

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Diana A. May 23, 2012 at 11:07 am

I recommend Martha Stout’s book “The Sociopath Next Door.” I found it quite revealing.

I don’t believe that sociopathy is a choice, but that doesn’t mean that sociopaths don’t bear watching. Sociopaths are a danger to society (even the ones who are not physically violent tend to cause problems to other people wherever they go.)

Actually, sociopaths love being pitied. “The better to manipulate you, my dear!”

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n. May 24, 2012 at 7:42 am

i know, i was possibly raised by one. and a friend had one parent who was an actual psychopath. so, yeah. been there, heard that.

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Diana A. May 26, 2012 at 6:28 am

I’m sorry to hear that. No fun at all for either one of you.

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Wayne Johnson via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Sorry but i have *never* stood in a pulpit called for execution of millions of people by hanging, starvation, and concentration camps. This guy has been doing so frequently for 40 years.

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Craig Roper via Facebook May 22, 2012 at 4:44 pm

As bad as what he has said is… How can we as fellow humans look down upon him? We all have demons in our lives, we all have black eyes in our personal history. We must support the gay community without condemning those who have harmed them.

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otter May 23, 2012 at 6:02 am

OK Craig, let’s just sit on our hands while haters carry on making a travesty of Jesus teaching, writing discrimination into our laws, and promoting economic hardship for people they don’t like.

Kids are dying and you say not to condemn the people who berate them…Really? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he have tossed them out of the temple?

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 7:50 am

Wow, Craig, you’re in denial. Even when I used to think homosexuality was wrong, I never tolerated hate speech like this. I went to a counter-protest of Westboro when they picketed a soldier’s funeral near my hometown. And now that I support gay rights, I believe it’s even more crucial that we expose monsters (yes, monsters) like Worley and work to take them down. I can’t believe you would defend this excuse for a man because “we all have demons.” He’s telling this to a congregation and anyone who will listen. He’s encouraging violence against the gay community. Someone is sure to commit a hate crime after hearing him and taking him seriously. That isn’t just a hateful tirade by just another imperfect sinner. That’s a dangerous threat by a dangerous, evil man. And I, for one, will not take it lying down. As for condemnation, he has made himself ripe for the picking with his unabashed bigotry. You can either keep sticking your head in the sand, or you can stand up for what’s right. I hope you pick the latter.

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 7:59 am

Also, for anyone who’s paying attention, this is the sort of idealistic denial that makes me so frustrated when people use the “Judge not” quote as an excuse to look the other way. As long as people say we should go easy on bigots and not call them out, it’s going to get better.

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Melody May 23, 2012 at 9:02 am

Oops, that should read *not* going to get better.

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