Got this in yesterday:
Dear John,
I stumbled across your blog while doing other research and was interested and then confused. Though I appreciate your loving, Christian manner and what you have to say about Christians not treating homosexuals with hell fire antics, God’s word is quite clear on the subject. You suggested that God would not ask any Christian to choose between their heart and faith [here] but doesn’t Jeremiah 17:9 tell us “the heart is more deceitful that ALL else and is desperately sick, who can understand it?” As a Christian, many times I have has to choose between what my heart desires and what God commands, we all do. Don’t get me wrong, I do not wish for homosexuals to be mistreated though I do feel their “rights” should not discriminate against Christians rights (especially when it comes to marriage). However to tell a homosexual that their lifestyle is not active sin would be a lie and not help them grow closer to God. Just as it would not glorify God to tell an gluttoness [sic], overweight person that they are not sinning. Sin comes in many forms and to cover it up or try to sugar coat it, only allows Satan more an avenue for his lies. My cousin is a lesbian and in a committed relationship with a wonderful friend but we get along because I tell her the truth without being her judge, I love her and her partner even though they, like I, are sinners. Homosexuals have choices to make each day, just like heterosexuals and some of those choices are sinful and some are not but we must be honest about who and what we are, so that God can examine our heart and conform it to His. Thank you for your time.
A little bit later I wrote on the wall of my Facebook page:
Yes, crazy Christian, it is your right to hold the opinion that homosexuality is a sin. You can even pretend that you’re unaware of the life-destroying ramifications of that opinion. But do not kid yourself: God knows what you allow yourself to pretend you don’t.
And while the great majority of the responses to that statement were hearteningly supportive, it also (as expected) compelled others to rush to alert me to how I was failing to show proper love to my “brothers and sisters in Christ.”
Which I think begs the question: Are people who hold the beliefs expressed in the letter above really my “brothers and sisters” in Christ? Such Christians and I do, after all, have radically different, fundamentally opposing ideas about the very nature and purpose of God. So when is it reasonable to wonder whether or not we do in fact believe in the same God at all?
When does the God in which I believe become categorically different from theirs?
At any rate, I’m all for showing deference and respect to people who deserve it—and to anyone who might even almost deserve it. But it is indisputable that the “Christian” belief system evinced by the letter above daily and directly contributes to the ruination of the lives of gay people and those who love them. To my mind anyone who at this point persists in clinging to those beliefs does thereby forfeit their absolute right to respectful treatment. Because when all is said and done such people are nothing but bullies. They are sweet-talking, reasonable-sounding bullies who are daring to use God as their weapon of persecution.
I owe such people nothing whatsoever. My allegiance is to their victims, and to the God they shame by their ignorant bigotry.
Image from my post Christians and the Blood of Jamey Rodemeyer.
P.S. Eighty-five comments later, I’m moved to make the point that I’ve nowhere claimed that anti-gay Christians are not my brothers and sisters in Christ. I merely speculated on the validity of the automatic assumption that they are.
Follow-up post: I’ve loved me some gay-condemning fundies.

















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John,
I wrestle with this notion a great deal actually. When do I (filthy liberal scum) have the right to call someone else’s “version” of Christianity just not Christian? Lord knows I’ve been told many a time that I’m not. I’ve even been called a daughter of satan – seriously! Can that person really be my brother in Christ? Is that person a follower of The Way? Anywho – love your blog and covet your tagline
Kimberly
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/comingoutchristian/
[Fundy troll trash-talk deleted.]
And now he’s back as Granite. You can’t fool us, Frank. Please, for your own sake, get a life.
The remark “Granite” made makes even less sense than what “Frank” normally says.
Man, I go away for a fews days and miss some good John Shore blog/ fb fireworks. Re: the Dear John letter you shared, I’ve heard the “God’s word is very clear” or “quite clear” too many times now – it really bugs me. As soon as I hear that phrase I know I am just hearing a repeat back of something that poster/writer has heard over and over again.
They are, they got me to accept Christ and that was no small task. I will be (literally) eternally grateful. We are ALL wrong about something. They accept Christ, so do I. We all sin. We all live under grace who believe in Jesus.
*buzzer* Try again. We all do something wrong. I do wrong on a daily basis. Homosexuals aren’t DOING anything. They are loving in the way God made them. If you don’t accept God is love, you aren’t playing by the rules.
all have fallen short- whatever orientation one might be….
the orientation is not the falling. anymore than the race, or hair color…..
Agreed, Charles. So why is it illegal to deny employment or marriage based on race or gender, but allowed if we love the “wrong” person?
for one, it is only “illegal” as a civil issue. as some states disallow same sex mariage as they once disallowed mixed race marriage. The law of man is not absolute, and is certainly not perfect. Remember that the Equal protection clause basically says we ALL have the same rights under the law….
Church law is something the individual has the choice to embrace or reject-
a Church also doesnt control your access to God.
I live in a state where same-sex marriage is recognized. Until my friends and I can travel anywhere in the US as equals, the separation of church and state fails. You and I can argue church law for millennia. ‘Twas ever thus. I’m talking human rights now.
which is why we are all here I think- it is not a church issue at all- it is a human rights issue as defined under the Constitution. Once we can get that taken care of we can argue the semantics of church.
I should add- your travel should be allowed in any country, not just any one of the United States.
Exactly . Thanks for clarifying, Charles.
I think Eric meant that we are all wrong about things just like the fundies are wrong about gay people – not like gay people are wrong.
Respectfully speaking, to be grateful for second-class citizenship smacks of Stockholm Syndrome.
Huh? Whose being grateful for what, now? You’ve completely lost me.
To me, Eric is accepting the anti-gay Christians even though they are wrong to be anti-gay, because we all get things wrong sometimes. What does that have to do with anything you just said?
Hmm. I didn’t mean to be oblique. I’m such a heretic, I don’t even believe Christ is the only way to God. Praise Vishnu, Buddha, Allah, or Yahweh. I don’t care. In mixed company, I usually call Him “The Big Pattern or Whatever”. Christianity works for me. I don’t judge what works for others.
My point is, until LGBT have the same rights legally in the United States and morally in the church, Christians shouldn’t be grateful. I’m glad Eric found God, but God is easy to find. People do it every day. One thing Christians don’t run short of is people who want to introduce you. (John says this a lot better in http://johnshore.com/2010/05/04/ten-ways-christians-tend-to-fail/).
Gratitude is not why we remember Martin Luther or Dr. King. We remember them because they demanded change. To be grateful to those who think you’re “less than” doesn’t make sense.
So, I can’t ever be grateful to anybody who doesn’t think it’s good for me to be gay? Ever? For anything? That seems silly. And arbitrary.
I think it would be hard not to be grateful to my wife’s parents for, well, her existing, and playing a big role in making her the most amazing human being I’ve ever met. That would be hard. Even if they don’t really get us. I can even be grateful to their latest craze preacher *shudder* Andrew Wommack *shudder* for, for some unknown, inexplicable reason, being the person who finally cracked the shell and got them to believe their daughter isn’t going to hell for sharing a bed with me.
And how many people who fought for women’s rights do I now have to adamantly NOT be grateful for because they didn’t also fight for LBGTQ rights (even if they’re long dead)? And I pretty much have to give up on being grateful to the people who popularized reason and science during the enlightenment… Shit.
The point is, gratitude just is. People do things and we’re thankful. That doesn’t mean owing them or condoning or agreeing with their views. Thankfulness is good.
Who is “they” in this?
I thought it was obvious. The question is “Are anti-gay Christians…?” and Eric begins by saying “They are…”.
OK…I get it now. Thank you, professor.
I’ve been stalking this blog for a few months now, and I just want to thank John and all the commenters (esp. Christine, Lymis, and DR) for being so completely brilliant. I was beginning to feel alone in the world as a straight Christian who thinks this way and asks these questions, and I’m so thrilled to discover that not only am I not alone, but I need to step my game up because all y’all’s moral reasoning and level of discourse is so much more developed than mine. Way to point to the Way. I read this entire comment thread, all three pages of it, and I feel vastly reassured about the future of humanity……
Thanks, Meghan. Good to hear from you.
The Charter for Compassion is very clear on how we are to view *all* others. In my view, the Charter for Compassion reflects Christ’s core teaching on loving one’s enemies without bounds, and it is very relevant to how we are to view Christians (and other religions as well, such as some Moslems) who view homosexuality as a sin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktlwCPDd94
Combine this with Christ’s plain teaching on loving one’s enemies, and the elegant sermon by Martin Luther King, Jr., expounding on this point, and I have concluded that there are no exceptions to our agape love towards everyone else.
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