
Dear John,
It’s amazing to me how rapidly a day can take a turn for the worse. As I was walking across campus today, I noticed a blood drive bus parked in the main quad. I decided to donate. Like any good blood-donor, I filled out the required forms honestly—even the question “As a man, have you ever had any sexual contact with another male?” I would be lying if I said I didn’t momentarily wrestle with simply marking “no,” but having come to terms with the fact that I was sexually abused when I was ten years old, I did the right thing and selected “yes.”
Long story short, I was denied. That didn’t come as a total surprise. What did were the emotions that arose afterward, all of the emotions that I was convinced I had found peace with: the shame of being a victim of sexual abuse, the humiliation of feeling emasculated, and, most surprisingly, the anger toward the man who had robbed me of countless things, the least of which was the simple right to donate blood.
I’ll condense my series of questions to this: How can you be convinced you’ve truly forgiven someone? I’m not looking to release my anger entirely (I’d be lying if I said I didn’t feel entitled to it; the key, as I feel I have successfully mastered, is not letting it dominate my life). But I’m looking to find some sort of evidence to convince me that I have truly and honestly forgiven the man who so abruptly disrupted my life. I thought I had done so. I said all of the right words and meant them in my heart of hearts. But have I really truly released this?
If you could shed some light on this for me, it would be greatly appreciated. What, if anything, do you believe God has to say regarding the authenticity of forgiveness? And how can we know if it is authentic or not?
I think the key to finding the answer you’re after lies in your statement that you feel justified in your anger—that, as you put it, you’re not looking to entirely release your anger. That thin space between “I’ve forgiven” and “I’m still angry” is the one your experience at the blood drive pushed you through.
“I forgive you” cannot exist in the same place as “I hate you, you life-destroying sack of vomit.” You can feel one of those things; you can feel the other. But you can’t feel them both at once.
Your problem is that you feel—or at least felt—the latter, which you take as an indication that you have failed at the former—which by extension would mean that you have failed as a Christian. “If I’d really forgiven—if [as you put it] my forgiveness is authentic—then how can I be so unexpectedly ambushed by the very anger that I thought my forgiveness had eradicated?” That’s what you’re asking.
Which is to say that what you’re asking is Why am I so bloody human?
It’s true that Jesus said we should forgive those who transgress against us. Jesus was huge on turning the other cheek, forgiving others as God forgives us, forgiving not just seven but seventy-seven times. Jesus was so into forgiveness that in order to prove that he had come specifically to forgive all people all their sins he had himself mercilessly slaughtered and nailed to a cross.
Boy. Talk about making a point.
And make that point he did. And as proof we have you, two thousand years later, concerned that you haven’t learned it deeply enough.
Listen: You have. You’ve forgiven enough. You’ve forgiven all that anyone could. Your forgiveness is one hundred percent, thoroughly authentic. It’s not like you have a relationship with the man who hurt you. The kind of forgiveness that actually does result in the complete dissipation of anger can only happen within the context of an ongoing, real-time relationship. If a friend hurts me I can bring to him my complaint; he can explain himself; we can talk it out; if he’s wrong he can offer me a sincere and pointed apology, after which I will forgive him because he is my friend. And not only will my anger with him be genuinely gone, our relationship will be stronger because of that shared experience.
Well, that’s hardly the kind of relationship you’re dealing with, is it? The guy who hurt you is now to you just a phantom. He’s not in your life. In that sense he doesn’t even exist. You can’t talk to him. You can’t scream at him. You can’t make sure he fathoms the depth of his transgression against you. You can’t do any of that.
You’re simply left, by yourself, to process all the wrong that he did to you.
And look how well you’ve done that. It’s clear what a sensitive, intelligent, and loving person you’ve become.
Yes, you will at times feel outrage at what was done to you. And when that fury hits you, you know what you can do with it? You can use it for its actual power. You can turn something that is truly awful into something that is not just good, but the finest thing in existence.
The next time you feel the unleashed power of the injustice of what was done to you, do not shun it. Do not reject it. Do not deny it.
Claim it. Claim all of it. Hold it. Focus on it. Get alone with it. Allow it to unfold into all the darkness that it is.
And then, with your eyes closed—with all that outrageous, undeserved agony tearing you up inside—hold your arms out wide. Stand in the position of Jesus Christ on the cross.
And there you will be.
And there He will be, sharing with you the very essence of his consciousness.
And at that moment you will know your suffering as a blessing.
See also As a Christian, must she forgive the brother who raped her? and “Where was God when my nine-year-old son was drugged and raped?”

















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I’m prone to hold a grudge over personal affronts. Some of the good advise in this string makes me think.
I think there are aspects of forgiveness that I don’t understand. I think that perhaps I was taught that it is something that it isn’t. But I have a really hard time with the concept of forgiving abusers – I’m not talking about one-off times where a temper has been lost and something has been said that shouldn’t have been. I’m talking about things that took a great deal of premeditation, like rape or sexual assault or kidnapping or any number of deliberate “I am choosing to usurp your power over your body for my pleasure and for your pain” events. The concept of forgiveness as I understand it? Well…I am still angry at the man who assaulted me. And another man who spent two years in a position of authority over me grooming me (though I somehow managed to escape with no physical or sexual harm…only emotional trauma). And a man who claims to be a friend but consistently acts on his desires knowing that they produce fear and trigger PTSD. I have a very difficult time with the concept of forgiving these men.
I learned that forgiveness is rarely an instantaneous task. It takes time, it takes determination on the part of the forgiver, and it is often not all that easy. Giving ourselves permission to take as long as it takes is not a bad thing at all. It is in the process that is important,
Yes! And oh what we learn within the context of this process…
Nothing like a letter from the Letter Writer to bring back old, long forgotten, and normally put-away thoughts of what happened many, many years ago in my own life.
Forgiveness is a difficult path that John’s comments as well as those of others not only assist to bring understanding, but also make us ponder on what the word and the action mean.
I forgave my own abuser many years ago and normally put that away in my own private storage area. However, every now and then something or someone will spark those feelings once again. They are not bad feelings, just remorse that it happened and that then makes me angry that I experienced such a thing at a young age.
Justified? You bet! Bad? No way – for that is an integral part of who I am and why (as I know understand) I have compassion for others. It made me a better person – if that makes sense. Maybe not the preferred method for reaching that perspective, but that was the result and I have moved on with that understanding.
Wishing you peace, dear Letter Writer.
Wonderful to hear from you, Dave. We miss you!
Beautiful responses here, you guys. Thank you so much.
Dear letter writer,
As a survivor of child sexual abuse myself (though I was female at the time, not male–long story), I have learned that for something that wounds this deeply, with consequences so profound, that forgiveness never happens one time. It has to be dynamic, and happen over and over.
When you’re irritated at them, when you feel the thousands of tiny impacts on your life, you forgive small. When you’re up all night with nightmares or flashbacks paralyze you at work, you forgive big. When you feel self-loathing or paradoxically grateful or unspeakably angry, you may wonder why you have to forgive them at all. This is all okay.
I can second what John said about forgiveness being so much easier if you know the person. I still have a relationship with my first abuser, because he’s a member of my family. We have not lived together since I was in high school, and we rarely see each other now, but I still have gotten the chance to see him grow up, mature, and be someone I can genuinely have a relationship with. I don’t agree that people don’t change; it’s rare, but it happens. I can never forget, my brain will not let me, but full forgiveness is possible.
You’ve never gotten a chance to see this person again. All you have is the terrifying figure in your memories. And as John says, it’s impossible to completely forgive a monster who hurts you over and over in your nightmares. I can never completely forgiven others who came along after my family member, who I never saw again. They are trapped in my mind in the state I saw them, predatory, wounding, or utterly indifferent to my suffering. Heck, one of them is a grown man now, but I still see him as 14 years old, and always will. I just remember that I’m not still 12, and 14, and 16 years old. I’m grown up now, I have power and responsibility.
I’ll just say what has been said to me by those who care: You are not crazy, you did not cause it, and you can’t cure it.
I pray you continue to gently put what happened back in the past, where it belongs. You deserve it
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70×7…one of the most powerful quotes ever.
A resource for guys who have been sexually abused: http://www.malesurvivor.org/
daemon
I was sexually abused as a child and it distorted and damaged my life. I am very blessed in many ways and grateful for my life and my blessings now, but because of the evil done to me as a child, I became sexually promiscuous, used illegal drugs, and abused alcohol. As as result of that (and my deep mistrust of adults) my intellectual gifts weren’t challenged or developed.
As happens with many survivors of child sexual abuse, I was later raped by “a friend” when I was a sophmore in college. It took me many years to learn to develop appropriate boundaries and to learn how to develop adult judgement and how to discern how much to trust people, step by step.
As a survivor, through my process of recovery and healing, I have gone through many periods of deep pain, righteous rage, anger and mourning. The man who abused me as child was dead when I began to do recovery work.
I know the power of forgiveness and I have done forgiveness exercises, forgiving the man who sexually abused me and the man who raped me. Forgiveness liberates me, frees me from being tied to what they once did to me.
But I am human, and I sometimes experience feelings of rage towards these men.
And then I forgive them again.
Maybe this is what Jesus meant when he said we must forgive 70 x 7 times.
Heck, I’ve never been sexually molested at all, and I’m FURIOUS at what happened to you. I think you’re just a wee bit entitled to your anger.
Re: being gay and blood. Without criticizing you at all, because no one can make moral decisions for any other person, I don’t feel it would be wrong to mark “No” on the form. What they are really asking is, “Given that the current administration are assholes who won’t interact with facts at all, do you feel you’re more likely to have HIV than the average donor?” And you can honestly answer no to that question. As can the majority of gay men. Seriously, and pardon my French, but fuck ‘em. There’s no such thing as a right answer in the face of a wrong question.
I’d lie on a form in a millisecond to save a loved one. I hope NR would, too. I’d pretend to be lesbian, straight, married, virginal, pink with purple polka dots. I’d lie during a true catastrophe, too. No one was more ready to give blood than me on September 11. There was no need. There were no survivors.
The letter writer and I are infinitesimal drops in ye olde blood bucket. The fear of a population self-diagnosing its risk–saying fuck everyone else, it’s my right to give blood–is why the CDC moves so slowly. If you really want to change the rules on gay blood donations, start here: http://www.contactingthecongress.org. Nothing beats an old-fashioned letter or email from a constituent.
They test your blood for AIDS. You can get AIDS from straight sex too, but straight people are not banned. It’s just a homophobic throwback to the 80s.
Yup. This exactly.
Yep. The largest demographic of new HIV positives is black women. It’s the newly positive people who are the real threat to the blood supply. Yet black women are not banned from donating blood. Gay men are. The problem is that the rules are not based on reality.
Incidentally Congress has little to nothing to do with the operations of the CDC. There’s no law saying gay people can’t donate; it’s a policy, and no one voted on it.
I agree. My husband and I get tested regularly and routinely, and actively work to prevent infection. We know we’re HIV negative, but we can’t donate. The vast majority of the people who do donate have never been tested and see no reason to be tested, yet many of them engage in activities that have the possibility of contracting the disease.
Completely homophobic. Once again, you only *can’t* donate blood if you choose to be truthful when asked. It’s a lesser of two evils question. Pressure the CDC to change the rules or break them. Or, you know, comment and do nothing. Because I know y’all are going to your local blood drive this week.
“But I’m looking to find some sort of evidence to convince me that I have truly and honestly forgiven the man who so abruptly disrupted my life. I thought I had done so. I said all of the right words and meant them in my heart of hearts. But have I really truly released this?”
I’ve come to realize that a lot of people think of forgiveness as some sense of feeling that nothing bad actually happened. That forgiveness looks like “That’s okay, it was no big deal.”
I’ve come to see forgiveness as the state where we don’t let past harms continue to hurt us today. If you were stewing on it, if you were using it as the foundation of your identity, if you were fantasizing harm, if you were actively keeping the hurt going, then no, you haven’t forgiven.
But realizing that your past was real, and honoring the consequences it has today, is not the same as holding on to it. I don’t see that having intense feelings that something hurtful that was done to you has a negative consequence in your life today, and allowing yourself to feel that pain about your current lost opportunity is the same as continuing to allow your feelings about your abuser to control your life.
It sounds like you were hurt by your inability to give blood, and reminded of the fact of your abuse, rather than dwelling on the fact of your abuse and your feelings for your abuser.
But even then, we aren’t as responsible for our feelings as we are for the choices we make about what to do with them. If a painful reminder of something awful that was done to you brings up rage or hurt, or fear, or sadness, then that’s what it does. If you then use that rage to lash out at others, stalk your abuser, kick puppies, or cheat at Monopoly, then it’s a bad thing. If you use those feelings to reinforce your own compassion, to be open to others’ pain, to look inside yourself to review the quality of your own character, and to reinforce your own commitment to making the world in your immediate vicinity a bit better for someone, then that choice is a good one.
The evidence that you have forgiven is when a painful reminder that is thrown in your face is about what you are feeling today and the simple reality of what was done to you rather than a knee-jerk wish that the bastard who did it to you suffers for it. You’ve forgiven when your pain is about you, and not about him. You don’t have to wait until you are never reminded that you were hurt. If that ever happens, that will be wonderful and a true sign of grace in your life, but it isn’t a measure of your own moral character.
True. And well said.
Lymis,
I really like these thoughts. I have not experienced this kind of abuse so I can only imagine the emotions that flow from it. I wonder – where does a thirst for justice (not revenge) fit into this conversation? Is that different than harboring anger? Or are they two sides of the same coin, both keeping us from the fullness of our present life?
Sorry, too quick on the trigger, I didn’t finish that thought.
Or can a thirst for justice be another God-given emotion that we can channel in productive ways?
Since anger is a feeling, which is neither good nor bad, it (as any feeling) can be used as a catalyst. As a means for action.
Harboring anger would be sitting on it, allowing it to build inside you like a pressure cooker. Not good.
But so too, an obsessed and dogged search for ever-elusive justice for the victim can become, as you say, a barrier for living life. Also not good.
I will not receive justice on this side of the dividing line because I was too young for clear evidence and no corroboration. I am most certainly not alone in this particular injustice, nor am I willing to sideline my life because of it. Abusers have themselves to live with each and every God forsaken day of their miserable lives. I forgive in the sense that what was done doesn’t derail me, doesn’t define me, doesn’t diminish me. I let the Grand Forgiveness take place between the Higher Power and the person’s soul.
There is a powerful sense of justice in that for me. A true injustice would be for victims to live as miserably and disconnectedly as the predators. I refused long ago to give it all away.
I like this a lot, Jill. It’s really helpful to me in exploring the intersection of our faith and our humanity. And your strength is inspiring. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thank you, David S. It really means a lot to hear that.
To grossly oversimplify, and to risk minimizing or invalidating the pain anyone has gone through, I think you have to look at what is motivating the desire for justice, because, in our society, we really are trained to think as justice as primarily being about revenge.
Is the thirst for justice about compassion or about revenge? Is the focus on preventing this from happening to someone else, and bringing closure and possibly reparations to the victim, or is the focus on punishing the perpetrator?
To decide whether two things are two sides of the same coin, you have to decide what that coin is. And our preoccupation with that metaphor often glosses over the fact that the two different sides of a coin are often vastly different from each other, even if they are aspects of something you can group together. Going east and going wests are “two sides” of longitude, but you’ll get to very different places depending on what you choose.
As far as fitting into this conversation, if the question is whether forgiveness is at odds with justice, no, not at all. But as you point out, forgiveness may well be at odds with revenge.
If you have a thorn stuck in your foot, the pain is due to a current, ongoing injury. You have to stop the injury before healing can really begin. Justice is about removing the thorn, and possibly, disinfecting the wound, and may well involve clearing the garden path of thorny branches or removing the thorn bush.
Forgiveness is about healing the wound once the cause of the injury has been stopped. Forgiveness doesn’t mean there wasn’t a hurt, and it doesn’t mean there can’t be a scar. It doesn’t mean you aren’t more careful of thornbushes in the future, or that you won’t wear shoes in the rose garden.
In a lot of ways, compassion is what we give the other person. Justice is what we give the world. Forgiveness of someone else is what we give ourselves.
Lymis-
“In a lot of ways, compassion is what we give the other person. Justice is what we give the world. Forgiveness of someone else is what we give ourselves.”
Beautifully said. I think there is a lot of truth in that thought.
I think justice is sometimes difficult or impossible to achieve. When we obsess over something that is unattainable, it may keep us from living a full life in the here and now. It also may separate us to some degree from God. Like so many of God’s gifts, I think a thirst for justice might potentially be both life-affirmingly constructive and obsessively destructive. Our faith has something to do with our position on that continuum (although I’m not entirely certain how other than using the concept of “surrender”).
This is complex stuff with a lot of meat on the bone. Thanks as always for your terrific insights and your clarity.
Very eloquent, Lymis.
As a gay man, I am extremely outraged that I am not able to donate blood. If a person is HIV negative, why would they not be allowed to donate. I’m surprised that this relic of 80s HIV hysteria is still allowed in this day and age. Why is there no more anger about this? Why would I not be allowed to donate blood to my partner if he had to go into hospital? Even if we had equal marriage rights, I would still not be able to give him my blood? That is just CRAZY!!!!! Am I missing something?
You’re not crazy or missing anything. Let’s remember, though, the paranoia about blood-transmitted diseases isn’t just HIV. I can’t donate blood because I lived in England for more than six months during the peak of mad cow disease. The CDC promised to change the rule. To my knowledge, it hasn’t, or the change hasn’t filtered down to my local blood drive. I could lie on the form. I don’t. The stigma with HIV/AIDS and its association with gay men won’t go away any faster.
I donated blood just about a month ago. The rules haven’t changed about who one has had sex with, or if one has visited Europe. There is healthy paronioa when it comes to the blood supply, and to a point it is understandable. Is it over the top in regards to allowing potential donors? Yes, because they test the heck out of blood now already.
Let’s hope rules change. There’s almost always a shortage, opening the door to more potential donors is actually a sound idea.
Paridoxically, in the U.K., one is prohibited from donating blood if they’ve been to North America, and for the exact same reason.
They already ask whether you’ve ever had sex with anyone whose sexual history you do not know (if your rules are like ours – and they sound similar). That should cover it for anyone. There’s nothing (or at least exceptionally little) inherent about gender that has to do with disease transmission. The idea that two men who have only ever been with each other and therefore (barring something intravenous) could not have possibly contracted HIV would be barred from donating simply because they are both men is, in a word, ridiculous. It is assuming that gay men are inherent more promiscuous, or more likely to cheat on a partner and keep it a secret, and also that gay men are someone more likely to lie on the form about sadi promiscuity, but not somehow about being gay. It’s insulting. I think your outrage is entire justified.
Everything that John said. Absolutely beautiful.
If knowing you are in good company with your question, in your struggle, supports you, please know you are not alone.
Letter Writer,
John is exactly right here. The man who abused me and my siblings is actually long dead. The point I guess I would add is that it wouldn’t even be worth trying to form that relationship if that was the standard you wanted to reach. What answer/apology could he possibly give you?
Now, blood drives are out of the question for me as a gay man here anyway, but let me make two further suggestions. The first is more or less public policy–we need to start a movement here like the one in many other developed countries to remove the “ever did the gay sex thing” from the list of blood-donation impediments. Gay men are at greater risk, but questions about risky sexual behavior or even a cooling off period are more logical and sound. The more letters the Red Cross and like groups get, the more likely this is to come to pass.
Second is about your use of the term “emasculated”. I think you meant it along the lines of “powerless” and as such it would be a valuable, reasonable feeling. If you meant it more literally (like he removed your masculinity) then that poses a whole host of possible problems of formulation or emotion that you might want to chat with someone about.
Otherwise, one day at a time. I will never forget what happened, neither will you, but you are on the right track, have done all you can do. The rest is up to Jesus. I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Very moving. Not to diminish the pain and outrage of the man who wrote, but this advice should be applied to forgiveness in all relationships. Thanks, John.