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		<title>Comment on NC pastor: &#8220;Let&#8217;s put all the queers and lesbians behind electric fences and let them die.&#8221; [VIDEO] by mitch wagoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitch wagoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, it&#039;s not looking good for North Carolina.   Love this state but it&#039;s hard to except the stupid people that live here.  
 First of all, where&#039;s he coming from that if you put all gay&#039;s behind a fence they are gone???   Gay&#039;s are not born from gay people....   Hello!!!!  They come from Hetersexual folks if I remember correctedly....  So, put gays  behind a fence but there will be more , and they will come up and bite you in the ass again.  I know, I would... I&#039;m a homo..

But, I don&#039;t hate him, just wish they would take the tax exempt status away, as they should with all churches that decided they want go into politics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, it&#8217;s not looking good for North Carolina.   Love this state but it&#8217;s hard to except the stupid people that live here.<br />
 First of all, where&#8217;s he coming from that if you put all gay&#8217;s behind a fence they are gone???   Gay&#8217;s are not born from gay people&#8230;.   Hello!!!!  They come from Hetersexual folks if I remember correctedly&#8230;.  So, put gays  behind a fence but there will be more , and they will come up and bite you in the ass again.  I know, I would&#8230; I&#8217;m a homo..</p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t hate him, just wish they would take the tax exempt status away, as they should with all churches that decided they want go into politics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Soulmentor</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2012/05/23/pastor-worley-heresy-the-troll-and-that-old-time-religion/comment-page-2/#comment-155202</link>
		<dc:creator>Soulmentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 02:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David. Tho I didn&#039;t experience the same traumas you did, I did grow up in a conservative Lutheran tradition where the liturgy every Sunday contained the phrase, &quot;Lord, tho I am unworthy......&quot;  Later, when being gay became an issue for me the sense of unworthiness intensified and became deeply rooted in me. It sticks with me to this day (I&#039;m 67) and has stunted my life and left me with little I can point to as success or accomplishment.  So I share your anger at the church for my own reasons. Different personal stories, different reasons for anger or disappointment, similar results. I was nevertheless, a church goer, even sat on a council until several years ago when my impulse to continue attendance just vanished. I just can&#039;t work up any rationale for going anymore save the social benefits and frankly, that&#039;s not enuf. All my lifetime of study and introspection produced in me a personal faith that needs no crutch of a church. It is enuf for me to sit by the fire on the hillside behind my house and commune with the stars and the owls I hear in the woods beyond. 
There remains in me a faint residue of wondering if I&#039;m wrong, but I can&#039;t find a reason to return to a religion that wounded me so deeply.  I don&#039;t know what to do with it anymore either. 
I just trust in a God that Jesus illustrated.  &quot;God is Love, and he who lives in Love, lives with God and God lives in him&quot;.  1 John 5:16  That is where I&#039;m at now. It is enuf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David. Tho I didn&#8217;t experience the same traumas you did, I did grow up in a conservative Lutheran tradition where the liturgy every Sunday contained the phrase, &#8220;Lord, tho I am unworthy&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;  Later, when being gay became an issue for me the sense of unworthiness intensified and became deeply rooted in me. It sticks with me to this day (I&#8217;m 67) and has stunted my life and left me with little I can point to as success or accomplishment.  So I share your anger at the church for my own reasons. Different personal stories, different reasons for anger or disappointment, similar results. I was nevertheless, a church goer, even sat on a council until several years ago when my impulse to continue attendance just vanished. I just can&#8217;t work up any rationale for going anymore save the social benefits and frankly, that&#8217;s not enuf. All my lifetime of study and introspection produced in me a personal faith that needs no crutch of a church. It is enuf for me to sit by the fire on the hillside behind my house and commune with the stars and the owls I hear in the woods beyond.<br />
There remains in me a faint residue of wondering if I&#8217;m wrong, but I can&#8217;t find a reason to return to a religion that wounded me so deeply.  I don&#8217;t know what to do with it anymore either.<br />
I just trust in a God that Jesus illustrated.  &#8220;God is Love, and he who lives in Love, lives with God and God lives in him&#8221;.  1 John 5:16  That is where I&#8217;m at now. It is enuf.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kristi, you stated my own sentiments. I was raised by Christians and I&#039;ve lived in the Bible Belt all my life. I&#039;ve seen an awful lot of Christians - and most of that lot has been really awful. I could throw a rock &amp; find more Christians who think like Pastor Worley than who think like the people here. The phrase &quot;I&#039;m a Christian&quot; tends to make me cringe &amp; step back before trying to find out what exactly the speaker means by &quot;Christian.&quot; 


@John Shore, I come to your blog because like Fox Moulder, I want to believe. Not in Jesus - but in the basic humanity and capacity for decency of Jesus&#039; followers. I want to believe as you say that &quot;There&#039;s nothing wrong with Christianity,&quot; but really I&#039;m not so sure. Christianity didn&#039;t just turn ugly when &quot;gay people happened.&quot; It was ugly when women happened, and wanted equal rights and to not be subjected to violence. It was ugly when black people happened and wanted equal rights and to not be slaves. It was ugly when members of other religions or sects and people who asked questions happened, and wanted to not be killed with fire. And it was sure as hell at its ugliest when Jewish people happened. There&#039;s definitely a pattern here. The injustices against GLBT people are not a nasty blip on an otherwise stellar history. 

I&#039;ve seen a lot of Christians today try to claim the civil rights movement as if Martin Luther King were opposed in his fight for justice by a bunch of Buddhists. The racists were Christians too. So were the preachers and practitioners of every other evil done in the name of Christ. As Christians, they are every bit as representative of what Christianity is as you are, as Kathy is, as Rev. John Fee was, as Martin Luther King was, etc. 

I also know people like Sam who work hard and help others and do their utmost to live good lives. My grandmother was just one such person, volunteering at the hospital and helping those in need in her community right up until she died. She was also racist, Christofascist, and homophobic. 

I grew up in one vicious, nasty, ugly, hate-filled, arrogant, cruel, domestic violence practicing Pentecostal church chock full of vicious, nasty, ugly, hate-filled, arrogant, cruel, domestic violence  practicing Pentecostals who would give the shirt off their back to a random homeless person or their last dime to a stranger in need. It was because they had been taught to be kind to the poor, but to almost no one else. Because they based their entire concepts of morality, ethics, &amp; decency on what they had been taught in the name of Jesus, they had no conscience to tell them that it was wrong to lie  to gain a convert, beat a child, hate a stranger, or deny basic rights to another human being. 

In some people, Christianity awakens conscience, makes them humble (and therefore more tolerant and open-minded) and drives them to love. I come to your blog to be reminded that such Christians - and such Christianities - exist. 

But in a lot of people, Christianity destroys conscience and replaces it with dogma - the most evil being the smug sense of superiority that &quot;I&#039;m born again and you&#039;re not.&quot; A lot of Christians become arrogant because they think of themselves as humble, and become persecutors because they think of themselves as persecuted. They fester with hate because they think of themselves as loving. This last one is the most evil because it leads them to pervert the very concept of love. Suddenly it&#039;s &quot;loving&quot; to beat your gay kid to death. Suddenly it&#039;s &quot;loving&quot; to bully people to suicide. Suddenly it&#039;s &quot;loving&quot; to lie to Jewish people about their faith and yours in order to deceive them into converting. 

I&#039;ve had the experience of refusing to convert to Christianity at gunpoint. I&#039;ve actually had one Christian insinuate to me upon hearing about that that the guy who held a gun to my head was doing it as an act of love - right before she resumed telling me that I was going to hell. 

I *want* to believe that that &quot;old time religion&quot; is a good thing. I really do. But after a lifetime of Christian love, I just can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristi, you stated my own sentiments. I was raised by Christians and I&#8217;ve lived in the Bible Belt all my life. I&#8217;ve seen an awful lot of Christians &#8211; and most of that lot has been really awful. I could throw a rock &amp; find more Christians who think like Pastor Worley than who think like the people here. The phrase &#8220;I&#8217;m a Christian&#8221; tends to make me cringe &amp; step back before trying to find out what exactly the speaker means by &#8220;Christian.&#8221; </p>
<p>@John Shore, I come to your blog because like Fox Moulder, I want to believe. Not in Jesus &#8211; but in the basic humanity and capacity for decency of Jesus&#8217; followers. I want to believe as you say that &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing wrong with Christianity,&#8221; but really I&#8217;m not so sure. Christianity didn&#8217;t just turn ugly when &#8220;gay people happened.&#8221; It was ugly when women happened, and wanted equal rights and to not be subjected to violence. It was ugly when black people happened and wanted equal rights and to not be slaves. It was ugly when members of other religions or sects and people who asked questions happened, and wanted to not be killed with fire. And it was sure as hell at its ugliest when Jewish people happened. There&#8217;s definitely a pattern here. The injustices against GLBT people are not a nasty blip on an otherwise stellar history. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a lot of Christians today try to claim the civil rights movement as if Martin Luther King were opposed in his fight for justice by a bunch of Buddhists. The racists were Christians too. So were the preachers and practitioners of every other evil done in the name of Christ. As Christians, they are every bit as representative of what Christianity is as you are, as Kathy is, as Rev. John Fee was, as Martin Luther King was, etc. </p>
<p>I also know people like Sam who work hard and help others and do their utmost to live good lives. My grandmother was just one such person, volunteering at the hospital and helping those in need in her community right up until she died. She was also racist, Christofascist, and homophobic. </p>
<p>I grew up in one vicious, nasty, ugly, hate-filled, arrogant, cruel, domestic violence practicing Pentecostal church chock full of vicious, nasty, ugly, hate-filled, arrogant, cruel, domestic violence  practicing Pentecostals who would give the shirt off their back to a random homeless person or their last dime to a stranger in need. It was because they had been taught to be kind to the poor, but to almost no one else. Because they based their entire concepts of morality, ethics, &amp; decency on what they had been taught in the name of Jesus, they had no conscience to tell them that it was wrong to lie  to gain a convert, beat a child, hate a stranger, or deny basic rights to another human being. </p>
<p>In some people, Christianity awakens conscience, makes them humble (and therefore more tolerant and open-minded) and drives them to love. I come to your blog to be reminded that such Christians &#8211; and such Christianities &#8211; exist. </p>
<p>But in a lot of people, Christianity destroys conscience and replaces it with dogma &#8211; the most evil being the smug sense of superiority that &#8220;I&#8217;m born again and you&#8217;re not.&#8221; A lot of Christians become arrogant because they think of themselves as humble, and become persecutors because they think of themselves as persecuted. They fester with hate because they think of themselves as loving. This last one is the most evil because it leads them to pervert the very concept of love. Suddenly it&#8217;s &#8220;loving&#8221; to beat your gay kid to death. Suddenly it&#8217;s &#8220;loving&#8221; to bully people to suicide. Suddenly it&#8217;s &#8220;loving&#8221; to lie to Jewish people about their faith and yours in order to deceive them into converting. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the experience of refusing to convert to Christianity at gunpoint. I&#8217;ve actually had one Christian insinuate to me upon hearing about that that the guy who held a gun to my head was doing it as an act of love &#8211; right before she resumed telling me that I was going to hell. </p>
<p>I *want* to believe that that &#8220;old time religion&#8221; is a good thing. I really do. But after a lifetime of Christian love, I just can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NC pastor: &#8220;Let&#8217;s put all the queers and lesbians behind electric fences and let them die.&#8221; [VIDEO] by Krista Macdonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista Macdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His email address is no longer valid. But here is my
Message to him:


Jesus was a beautiful, wonderful and kind man that loved everyone unconditionally. You are a disgusting man that should be banned from preaching hate and filth. The sin of hatred leads to hell. Have a nice trip and when you get there enjoy looking up and watching all the &quot;homosexuals&quot; dancing with Peter through the pearly gates!

Krista MacDonald
Sent from my iPhone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His email address is no longer valid. But here is my<br />
Message to him:</p>
<p>Jesus was a beautiful, wonderful and kind man that loved everyone unconditionally. You are a disgusting man that should be banned from preaching hate and filth. The sin of hatred leads to hell. Have a nice trip and when you get there enjoy looking up and watching all the &#8220;homosexuals&#8221; dancing with Peter through the pearly gates!</p>
<p>Krista MacDonald<br />
Sent from my iPhone. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Bmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with so much of this. It seems like people have a need to feel superior to others. It&#039;s not the Bible that gives people these ideas, they will hold onto anything they can find to justify their superiority complexes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with so much of this. It seems like people have a need to feel superior to others. It&#8217;s not the Bible that gives people these ideas, they will hold onto anything they can find to justify their superiority complexes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Adara Pallady via Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adara Pallady via Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that Brian Hager!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Adara Pallady via Facebook</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2012/05/23/pastor-worley-heresy-the-troll-and-that-old-time-religion/comment-page-2/#comment-155200</link>
		<dc:creator>Adara Pallady via Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that Brian Hager!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Brian Hager via Facebook</title>
		<link>http://johnshore.com/2012/05/23/pastor-worley-heresy-the-troll-and-that-old-time-religion/comment-page-2/#comment-155193</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hager via Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Christelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I am really truly sorry for what Christianity/the church did to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I am really truly sorry for what Christianity/the church did to you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Worley, Heresy the troll, and that old time religion by Diana A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the same way and I am a Christian.   When somebody else calls his/herself a Christian, my internal response is the &quot;Yeah but what kind?  Hellfire and brimstone or reasonably sane?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the same way and I am a Christian.   When somebody else calls his/herself a Christian, my internal response is the &#8220;Yeah but what kind?  Hellfire and brimstone or reasonably sane?&#8221;</p>
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